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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: TonyV on Friday 06 October 23 23:11 BST (UK)
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There is a family tree on My Heritage which includes a record of a Mayo woman marrying a man called Ginnelly, but the source is an image of the marriage licence and the man's name is clearly shown as McGinley. It also says that his father was called McGinley - unsurprisingly.
I do not know whether Mr McGinley was originally from Ireland but at the time of the marriage he was a shopkeeper in Glasgow. Can anyone tell me whether McGinley is a Scottish version of Ginnelly or whether, by implication, the owner of the tree has made a mistake?
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Irish Ancestors Surnames
https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=Ginnelly
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What timescale? There are lots of trees with incorrect info.
What surname were they under on the various censuses - Ginnelly or McGinley?
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Thanks for the link Sinaan. it seems to show that the names are from the same root, so the groom may have come from Ireland originally and perhaps then used a version that he felt more comfortable with in his new home. I'm not really interested in the groom. It's his wife who may be connected to me.
CaroleW. I don't know because the tree does not give census sources, only the marriage certificate which might have contradicted the name in the tree. The bride was born in Mayo. She was the reason I found the tree, but like so many, she moved to Scotland to marry her Mr.McGinley.
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Thanks for the link Sinaan. it seems to show that the names are from the same root, so the groom may have come from Ireland originally and perhaps then used a version that he felt more comfortable with in his new home. I'm not really interested in the groom. It's his wife who may be connected to me.
CaroleW. I don't know because the tree does not give census sources, only the marriage certificate which might have contradicted the name in the tree. The bride was born in Mayo. She was the reason I found the tree, but like so many, she moved to Scotland to marry her Mr.McGinley.
If you read the John Grenham link you will find that Mac/Mc Ginnley is actually not unknown in Ireland, and that it is not unknown for members of the same wider families to have different spellings of the same name depending on the emigration patterns and the vagaries of hearing interpretation by officials
When you say 'she moved to Scotland to marry her Mr.McGinley' do you mean that he moved first and she followed ie that they were known to each other prior to both ending up in Scotland?
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Hi shanreagh
I don't know how they knew each other. The addresses on the licence give his as Glasgow and hers as Morpeth, N'land, so you'd wonder how they got together unless they knew each other beforehand.
Tony
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What time period are you looking at?
Do you have them on a census? If so, where was Mr McGinley born?
Do you have their fathers or parents names?
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The marriage was in 1914. I wondered whether it was one of those marriages that was hastened because of the war. I have not however looked any further into these two people.
To be honest it is a bit peripheral to my main research objective which is currently Irish emigres in the USA during the late 19th/early 20th centuries, but the bride's name - Meenaghan - occurs a few times in my paternal matches' trees, especially matches not in the USA. So I looked to see if she might be relevant and when I saw that the online tree she is in, has her husband as a Patrick Ginnelly, but the attached licence image quite clearly called him and his father McGinley, I was curious about the accuracy of the tree. Hence my question, because while I am genetically half Irish, I was born and have spent my whole life in England, so know very little about Irish names (learning fast though!).
Tony
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My husband has Meenaghan/Minaghan/Monaghan occurring in several of his DNA contacts trees - lots of spelling variations.
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Hi Heywood. I have PM'd you.
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I think I may be able to contribute some useful info. Looking at the marriage record to which TonyV refers, it shows the groom as Joseph McGinley, Master Grocer, aged 38, of 3 Hospital Street in Glasgow whose parents were John McGinley, Farmer and Winifred McGinley m.s. Philbin. The bride was Honorie Meenaghan, a cook/domestic servant, aged 27, usually residing in Morpeth, England..parents were John Meenaghan, Farmer, and Mary Meenaghan m.s. Devitt.
I believe this record has two typos, the first being McGinley which should say Ginnelly, and Devitt, which should say Davitt. I am fairly confident in saying so for they all relate to me and come from a Townland called Rinnashinnagh (now called Foxpoint) near Barnatra in Mayo, Ireland.
Joseph was born on 8 Dec 1875, Honorie 1886. Joseph had (at least) 4 siblings....Mary, Ellen (Ellin), Ann and Martin.
I have evidence the registrar in Glasgow either wasn't very literate or spelt names phonetically as the name said in a strong Irish accent sounded to him. (Add an um before Ginnelly and you can imagine it sounding like McGinley.) This said, it may be he was happy to have the Mc added to his name so it sounded more Scottish in an effort to overcome the rampant discrimination taking place against the Irish at the time. I doubt it though for they were both back living in Mayo by January 1915 when they had their daughter Mary. (They also had other children including a son called Michael Ginnelly). Hope this helps
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Well spotted AntAM and thanks for the additional information. I have PM'd you about your connections to the Meenaghan families in Rinnashinnagh and Gortmelia.
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AntAM
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Tony
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Thanks for the heads up Kiltaglassan, it is appreciated.
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My 2 x great grandmother was Bridget (maiden name) Ginely/Ginnelly/McGinley depending on the document - she went by all at some point in time. She was born sometime around 1870-1880. Married my 2 x great grandfather John Michael Gannon and had my great grandfather John Joseph Gannon in 1903. They all immigrated to America after 1918, and appear to have been from Westport, Co. Mayo. I would be interested in linking her further back to her parents, grandparents, etc. if you have information that seems relevant.
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Here is the marriage - 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10447/5804348.pdf
You will see a stamp ‘see new certified copy’ which is here - difficult to read though
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10447/5804348a.pdf
Her father is John and residence is Gorteen.
On here though https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=578577.0 you have her father as Patrick so you would need to check.
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Hi MMartin03
I have a few John Gannons and a Bridget Ginnelly among my DNA matches but probably not the ones you are interested in. Apart from the dates being different, they seem to come from farther north, along the coast east of Belmullet. Gannon is quite a common name among my matches so I almost certainly have some genetic relationship to the wider family. My search is to find the names in the USA and your ancestors were there by about 1918 but I need to find a woman of child-bearing age probably around that year or maybe a little earlier.
I see that Heywood has helped you already
All the best
Tony