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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: susiee on Sunday 01 October 23 00:36 BST (UK)
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I am hoping this will load for me !!!
I have a para where most of it is ok but for a few words here and there .
NO IT DID NOT LOAD !!!! GRRRRR !!
HERES WHAT I HAVE SO FAR ANYWAY I HAVE NOW MADE IT 2 SENTENCES ONLY AND WILL SEE IF IT LOAD .
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SO FAR I HAVE BELOW .
LIST OF PRISONERS TRANSPORTED TO NEWCASTLE ON BOARD OF M C SLOOP WITH THEIR
RESPECTIVE SENTENCES ..???????.... THEIR TO THEOR ORIGINAL PLACES AND OF ........?...
TIMES OF TRIAL AND SENTENCES ..... FROM THE DEED POLLS OR INDENTS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE
SHIPS OR VESSEL BY WHICH THEY ARRIVED IN THIS COLONY .
OK SO THE 2 LINES LOADED ..
THIS IS JOHN LEA ( SHOULD BE LEE) A RE OFFENDER BEING SENT TO NEWCASTLE
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Sentences --?-- thereto, also their original places and time of trial and sentences, extracted
From the deed polls or indents of the respective ships or vessel by which they arrived in …
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Sentences amassed?
Sue
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Could you put up a link to the original document/record please. Sometimes being able to see other entries written in the same hand is helpful.
Judith
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" sentences amended thereto, also their origins from the Deed Polls or Indent of the res....."
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For what it's worth, it's Sentences annexed thereto.
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Genius Bookbox.
Annexed! I see it now, of course, but could not think what it could possibly be.
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Could you put up a link to the original document/record please. Sometimes being able to see other entries written in the same hand is helpful.
Sorry Judith i actually dot have it .
Judith
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Sentences --?-- thereto, also their original places and time of trial and sentences, extracted
From the deed polls or indents of the respective ships or vessel by which they arrived in …
Thanks Neal .
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Sentences amassed?
Sue
Thank you Sparrett .
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Thank you every one .
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For what it's worth, it's Sentences annexed thereto.
Great job thank you .
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Hi Susie
Please know, I am not doubting your info (re the ship name), just asking to clarify... and hoping to help.
Not that my knowledge is great, but I have never heard of the MC Sloop.... Generally MC refers to something like Maritime Commission.... it would describe either the owner, the type of ship... Like SS stands for STEAMSHIP.... HMS means Her/His Majesty's Ship....
I thought the word sloop referred to the sails on a ship, the specific arrangement of the sails... and that can include the sails arrangement for gun ships.
Would you please upload a link so we can see the actual record?
I have tried to find him in Australia, but can't seem to locate him... where was he convicted please? England, Ireland, Scotland.... I can't see him on the Old Bailey records of the Irish transportation records, so will need more info first.
Did he go to Newcastle, or was that just on the transportation document? Its possible he did go to Newcastle, but not get off the ship.... and went to Tassie.
thanks
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Sorry i cant help with a link.
He was JOHN LEE
Born about 1804 London
Convicted at the Old Bailey
Arrived 1819 on the Grenada
Was a constant re offender and was sent to Newcastle
Eventually was in Frazers lane in Sydney for a short while
Newspaper has him stealing a boat off Billy Blue
Emus off someone else in Syd
Was in and out of Sydney jail until i lose him for good about 1831- being whipped again .
He was whipped 50 times on a number of times and 100 lashes and was part of the tobacco stealing off the Speedwell .
I have never found his fate after 1831 - but have seen a few records for possibles in Asylums that need to be checked .
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Hi Susie
Please know, I am not doubting your info (re the ship name), just asking to clarify... and hoping to help.
Not that my knowledge is great, but I have never heard of the MC Sloop.... Generally MC refers to something like Maritime Commission.... it would describe either the owner, the type of ship... Like SS stands for STEAMSHIP.... HMS means Her/His Majesty's Ship....
I thought the word sloop referred to the sails on a ship, the specific arrangement of the sails... and that can include the sails arrangement for gun ships.
Would you please upload a link so we can see the actual record?
I have tried to find him in Australia, but can't seem to locate him... where was he convicted please? England, Ireland, Scotland.... I can't see him on the Old Bailey records of the Irish transportation records, so will need more info first.
Did he go to Newcastle, or was that just on the transportation document? Its possible he did go to Newcastle, but not get off the ship.... and went to Tassie.
thanks
HMC Sloop Sally (HM Colonial sloop?)
link to original record
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/INDEX2518424 (https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/INDEX2518424)
M
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"HMC" = (His Majesty's Cutter).
Just a piece of unrelated information:
HMC Sally was used by surveyor John Bingle in 1821 - see below for his comment
In the month of December, 1821, I first visited Newcastle in command of H. M. C. Sloop Sally, on a voyage to examine and finish the coast survey between Sydney and Torres Straits, especially Moreton Bay; and my report of its capabilities being considered favourable, Mr. Oxley, the Surveyor General, was sent to select and establish the settlement.
It seems probable that the Sally was also used to transport prisoners on the coastal run.
Judith
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"HMC" = (His Majesty's Cutter).
Just a piece of unrelated information:
HMC Sally was used by surveyor John Bingle in 1821 - see below for his comment
In the month of December, 1821, I first visited Newcastle in command of H. M. C. Sloop Sally, on a voyage to examine and finish the coast survey between Sydney and Torres Straits, especially Moreton Bay; and my report of its capabilities being considered favourable, Mr. Oxley, the Surveyor General, was sent to select and establish the settlement.
Thank you for that --very interesting !!!
It seems probable that the Sally was also used to transport prisoners on the coastal run.
Judith
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The very last time i have JOHN LEE was here on Oct 22-1832 in Sydney Goal when he was being sent to District 7
but have no idea where that is in NSW
He has just had another 50 lashes .
He has had a few 50 's in Newcastle
And one of 100 lashes
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Your clip is from
New South Wales, Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Books, 1818-1930, Entrance Book, Sydney
1819-1833
I think the column for "Remarks" may actually read:
50 lashes xxxxx
and
xxx of sentence N C
Then the date Nov 7.
in column To Whom Discharged - Sally
I think the N C may denote Newcastle as others on the page were being sent there.
Judith
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Your clip is from
New South Wales, Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Books, 1818-1930, Entrance Book, Sydney
1819-1833
I think the column for "Remarks" may actually read:
50 lashes xxxxx
and
xxx of sentence N C
Then the date Nov 7.
in column To Whom Discharged - Sally
I think the N C may denote Newcastle as others on the page were being sent there.
Judith
Thanks Judith - and he has spent a lot of time in Newcastle .
I have searched high and low to find his death but have run out of ideas other than now checking hospitals as i saw ---possibly ---in the NSW State records index a few John Lees ot check .
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Matthew - a massive thank you regarding the ship... I learnt something new. I had never heard of the Sloop, so its good to know it was in the name, not the type of ship.