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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: BSmith2268 on Sunday 24 September 23 11:41 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I recently received the birth certificate of my x3-great grandmother, Mary Lloyd from 1838.
Her father is listed as 'Evan Lloyd' and her mother as 'Margaret David, formerly Jenkins.'
On both the 1841 and 1851 census, Mary is living is living with her mother, Margaret David, older brother Rees Lloyd and a mix of a few lodgers/ relatives, but no sign of her father.
Does this suggest that despite Mary's mother was still legally married to her first husband and therefore couldn't marry Mary's father?
Would this make Mary illegitimate and therefore quite odd for her father to appear on the birth certificate?
Thank you,
BSmith
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The 1836 B&D Act which introduced civil registration didn't specify any rules around the recording of illegitimate children and their parentage.
Most registrars seem to have declined to include fathers born to unmarried women, but some did so you do sometimes find records such as this where an (apparently) unmarried couple are both named.
The way the mother's name is recorded shows that she was, or had been, a married woman. A widow still has a maiden name, which should be recorded, so the entry doesn't tell you anything about whether her husband was still alive or not.
The 1874 B&D Act introduced a requirement that an unmarried father had to be present at the registration to sign as a joint informant if he was to be named on the entry ( which still applies today).
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'Margaret David, formerly Jenkins.'
Do you know who her husband was or what happened to him? Does she claim to be married in 1851?
older brother Rees Lloyd
Where does he fit in - when was he born?
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Rees Lloyd born 20 Dec 1834 Tidixton
father Evan Lloyd mother Margret David
Baptist church register says natural son of Evan Lloyd labourer and Margaret David - "his wife" has been crossed out and another word written above I can't read.
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Rees' baptism is on Ancestry
He's described as natural son of Evan Lloyd, labourer, parish of Pyle, by Margaret David. Born in storm, parish of Tidixton, near Bridgend on 20 December 1834
Red text: Snap! The crossed out bit is Storm, written in the wrong bit of the form
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Oh I never would have got that! I was afraid it was going to be some unsavoury description of a non wife.
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I thought the same until I saw the same word later on the entry. Her address in 1841 & 1851 is Stormy - presumably what's now known as Stormy Down
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Couple of possible marriages in the area
Margaret Jenkin Spinster
David David
Marriage 10 May 1828 Margam, Glamorganshire, Wales
First Witness Robert Thomas
Second Witness Margt Joseph
Margaret Jenkins Spinster otp
Thomas David Pyle and Kenfig
Marriage 6 Jun 1828 St Bride's Major, Glamorganshire, Wales
First Witness Wiliam Jenkins
Second Witness Thomas Thomas
Alternatively - possibly the surname got adapted a bit, or looking at the image it could be David, mistranscribed
Margaret Jenkin
John Davies
Marriage 10 May 1823 Tythegston,
First Witness Thomas Rees
Second Witness William Howell
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Think we can discount Margaret and Thomas, married at St Brides as they appear to be in Tythegstone in 1851. Thomas b Pyle
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Hi all,
Thank you all for the help.
Margaret David was born in Margam, Glamorganshire so the marriage in 1828 in Margam could be her, but equally it could be the marriage in 1823 to John Davies in Tythegston- I'll do some more digging about her background.
I think my next mission is to figure out where Evan lived and why he wouldn't marry Margaret!
And yes, they were from what is present-day Stormydown.
Mary Lloyd eventually ended up in St Donats and married John Roberts in 1867, and they settled in Llandow.
She died in 1927, aged almost 89!
My great aunt was born in 1924 and could very vaguely remember visiting her great-grandma Mary.
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Don't know whether it's connected but there's a baptism of an Evan Lloyd in Margam on 04 Sep 1841, s/o Evan and Mary.
And a marriage of an Evan Lloyd (full age) on 19 Sep 1864 at Tythegston to Mary Herbert. Evan's father was also called Evan, so could be the child baptised in 1841.
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1851
Piece number 2461, Folio 741, Page 1
Evan father and son and Mary in Cefn Cribbur, Tythegston Higher
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maybe Evan snr in 1841 in Margam
Piece number 1422, Book number 20, Folio number 3, Page number 1