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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: MiraMax131 on Sunday 24 September 23 11:05 BST (UK)
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William Patterson lived in Ryhope and had a son James William Patterson. William killed or died in the First World War. Can anyone tell me if and where the service records might be kept or viewed on line?
Anne
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There were 15 William Pattersons killed in WW1. You need to provide more information like parents, wife, age, etc.
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Ancestry and Find My Past both have various records for WW1 if you don't have a subscription then
your local library may have access on site via their computers
As Kloumann says we'd look to be able to point you in the right direction but would need more detail such as his wife's name and years of birth for William and his son
Do you know which service he served with? e.g. Army/Royal Navy/Merchant Navy/Royal Flying Corps
Boo
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Your William Patterson will probably be mentioned on the war memorial in Ryhope. The names are grouped in regiments.
I have photos of my two relatives mentioned there but did not take photos of all the names.
Yorkshire Regiment has a Private J PATTERSON.
Yorks & Lancs just has four names and no PATTERSON.
Durham Light Infantry have lots of names but my photo only goes down to L/CPL E. BRITTON.
I would be surprised if the names on this and other war memorials are not online.
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Your William Patterson will probably be mentioned on the war memorial in Ryhope. The names are grouped in regiments.
I have photos of my two relatives mentioned there but did not take photos of all the names.
Yorkshire Regiment has a Private J PATTERSON.
Yorks & Lancs just has four names and no PATTERSON.
Durham Light Infantry have lots of names but my photo only goes down to L/CPL E. BRITTON.
I would be surprised if the names on this and other war memorials are not online.
http://www.newmp.org.uk/detail.php?contentId=8480#listlink
Boo
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CWGC site has Private W PATTERSON no. 14146 14th Bn. Durham Light Infantry died 27 Dec 1917
Ryhope Cemetery 4. 1389
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Thank you all for your replies. I am a bit confused because he is on the grave registers and the purchaser was the Imperial War graves Commision so I assumed he must have been one of the war dead but he is not on the War Memorial in Ryhope. According to the graves registration report he died on 27th December 1917, I have read what I can about the Durham Light Infantry 14th division and it appears the battle of Cambrai finished around the first week in December I am therefore thinking he may have been injured before the end of the battle and maybe died later. Would he still be on some memorial to the dead?
Williams Patterson was around 45 when he died so that would put him at about birth date 1872 + or - a couple of years and his service number was 14146 he had a son who is buried with him called James William Patterson who died on 17th October 1920.
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I can't find a service record for this man, probably one of the many that were badly damaged or destroyed.
Ancestry does have a record in the UK, British Army World War I Pension Records 1914-1920 dataset for William Patterson of the DLI, service no 14146.
If you have access to Ancestry at home or at the library then you would be able to download it. It is possible to sign up for a free trial but you'd need to be sure to cancel it before the end of the trial or they will charge.
Basically it says he was discharged in Jul 1917 as being medically unfit. He had pulmonary tuberculosis , not caused by , but was aggravated by his service.
As you haven't given us names of wife and children its difficult to be sure its the man you are looking for. There are 3 children mentioned George Henry, Elijah Venus and Sarah Carlisle. No mention of a James WIlliam
Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette, 29 Dec 1917 , page 2 col 4
Deaths
PATTERSON On December 27th, aged 45, William, dearly beloved husband of Mary Patterson. To be interred at Ryhope Cemetery on Sunday December 30th. Cortege to leave residence, 117 Low Railway Street, Ryhope at 2.30 pm. All friends kindly invited.
Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette, 27 Dec 1918 , page 2 col 4
In Memoriam - Roll of Honour
PATTERSON. In loving memory of my dear husband, Private William Patterson, 14th D.L.I. who died Dec 27th 1917, though gas received in action.
No one knows the parting
Or what the parting cos
But the Lord in His great mercy
Has gained what we have lost
- Sadly missed by his loving wife and family
Boo
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Thank you so much, that is the William Patterson I am speaking of. I appreciate your help.
Would that account for the grave being paid for by the Imperial War Graves Commission?
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Thank you so much, that is the William Patterson I am speaking of. I appreciate your help.
Would that account for the grave being paid for by the Imperial War Graves Commission?
Well the pension record did say the reason for the medical discharge was because his condition was aggravated by his service. I am no expert with military stuff but that would suggest they took 'some' responsibility for his death and had agreed (at least temporarily) to award a pension, so yes its highly possible that they paid for the burial (though I don't know if they paid for the grave as such, the cemeteries dept would be able to tell you I should think)
Did the address in the deaths/in memoriam notices agree with what you know? What about his wife's name and the names I posted for the children from the pension record - are they a match for what you know?
Boo
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aah light dawns here! (it would have been really helpful if you'd given James William's birth year/age at death)
I just trawled through the Ryhope burial registers and found James William's entry. He was 25 when he died so in 1917 when the pension record didn't mention his name that would be because by then he was 22 and no longer classed as a dependant of the deceased soldier. The others were young enough to be classed as dependant which is why their names were listed.
all seems to add up now :-)
Boo
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Yes, I’m sorry, I could have given you more information. Williams wife was Mary Ann Patterson and their children included James W Patterson whose age on the 1901 census is 5 which would put his DOB as 1896. This all ties in nicely. Thank you so much.
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In case anyone wants to see the family on the census records they are more likely to be found as PATERSON than PATTERSON.
I wondered where Elijah got the name Venus from. The GRO shows that his mother was called VENUS.
Freebmd has marriage 1894 Gateshead William Little PATTERSON and Mary VENUS.
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Williams wife was Mary Ann Venus and she was born in St Mary Cray in Kent. Her father was Aaron Venus who was quite the hero, going down a 150ft deep well to retrieve a man’s body who had committed suicide. Sadly he committed suicide himself some years later. I found out quite a lot about him and his children one of whom had the name Israel and another Elijah and another Aaron.
I think his son Elijah committed suicide too. I also found a story of someone who found in their house structure a parcel containing seamen’s records, letters and a gold wedding ring with hair twined around the ring. They put the story on the internet and a family member who lives in Durham came forward to collect it. I thought it was such a lovely thing to have from one of your ancestors.