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Hi All
I am trying to find the marriage of Edwin Henry Gavell. He was born in 1852, in Shoreditch, the son of Joseph and Hannah Gavell.
In the 1891 census his wife's name is given as Annie, born about 1860 in Bethnal Green, with their first child, Maud my ancestor, born about 1887.
Any help will be gratefully received.
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There seems to be no sign of a marriage after searching on variations of both Edwin’s first and surnames.
Maud’s mother’s maiden name is shown as WELFORD, unless she had been married previously, any marriage should show up between GAVELL and WELFORD.
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Are they alive in 1911? That census asks for number of years married **
** 27 years
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Son Joseph has mothers maiden name MITCHELL if I am looking at the right birth.
Jun 1890 Bethnal Green
Next son Edwin has WELFORD
Maybe a different family - marriage Annie Mitchell to John Joseph/Joseph John Gavell in 1882
Or is it? Annie Harriet and Lily both have Mitchell and all those children are together in 1911 with Edwin & Annie.
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There are other Gavell/Mitchell births before your Maud is born so will see who they belong to.
Annie Sarah Jun 1883
Florence Alice Sep 1886
Your Maud Emily is Dec 1887
Sorry I've confused things.
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Maud’s mother’s maiden name is shown as WELFORD
GAVELL, MAUD EMILY
Mother's Maiden Surname WELFORD
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 153
In the 1891 census his wife's name is given as Annie, born about 1860 in Bethnal Green, with their first child, Maud my ancestor, born about 1887.
In Haggerston, Shoreditch
45 Weymouth Terrace
Edward Gavell 34 Shoemaker, born London Hackney
Emily Gavell 29 London Chelsea
Maud Gavell 3 London Hackney
Birth
GAVELL, EDWIN
Mother's Maiden Surname: WELFORD
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 121
Baptism, 28 April 1891, St Chad, Haggerston
Edwin
Parents Edwin + Emily Gavell
45 Weymouth Terrace
Father Boot finisher
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A possible theory, starting at 1881 census
Edwin Henry Gavell born mq 1852 mmn Jay*
John Joseph Gavell born mq 1857 mmn Jory **
Emily Gavell born sq 1866 mmn Jay.
** Joseph John Gavell marries Annie Mitchell 18.6.1882--all subsequent children are Gavell/Mitchell
Edwin Henry Gavell has a "partner/wife Emily Sarah (Welford) who I believe married March Taylor in sq 1878
GAVELL, MAUD EMILY mmn WELFORD
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 153
GAVELL, EDWIN WELFORD
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 121
1891 census
Edward Gavell 34 shoemaker
Emily 29 (born Chelsea)
Maud 3
1901 census
Edward Gavell 38 Dock Lab
Emily 37
Maud 13
Edward (Edwin) 10
Deaths of
GAVELL, JOHN JOSEPH 50 ( husband of Annie)
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 123
GAVELL, EMILY 45 ( wife/partner of Edwin Henry)
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 89
Edwin/Edward and Annie move in together pre 1911 census, thus a mixture of Welford/Mitchell children
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Sorry jonw65 no red box for some reason
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That sounds like a good theory!
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Like all good theories "one fly in the ointment". Not now 100% sure Emily Sarah Welford is the correct partner to Edwin/Edward Gavell. He certainly had a "Welford" partner
1. March Taylor married Emily Sarah Welford in 1878
2. 2 Children born, Emily Susan Taylor 1879 & March Thomas Taylor 1881. Both have mmn Welford.
3. By 1887 March Taylor snr is co-habiting with an Emma Read (born Birmingham c 1866) and their 1st child Annie Maria Taylor born 1888 mmn Read, all subsequent children have mmn Read.
4. Emily Gavell partner to Edwin/Edward on both 1891/1901 census and Emily diesSQ 1906
5. March Taylor then marries Emma Read 19th November 1906.
However in 1901 census
Piece 233
Folio 118
Page number 17
Emily Taylor 43
March Taylor 20
Emily Taylor 18.
Any thoughts anyone?
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Not that this helps finding a marriage.
Did your Maud Gavell marry a Walker?
London Electoral Register address 27, St. Peter Street, Bethnal Green
Year 1920 same address year 1934
Edwin Gavell Snr & Junior
Annie Gavell
Maud Walker
Free advanced search 1921c using above address only
Annie Gavell 1861 Bethnal Green, London
Annie Gavell 1897 Bethnal Green, London
Edwin Gavell 1852 Hackney, London
Edwin Gavell 1891 Hackney, London
Lily Gavell 1901 Bethnal Green, London
Maud Walker 1887 Hackney
Added for info.
Edwin Gavell 1853, Annie 1860, Maude 1887, Joseph 1890, Edwin 1892, Annie 1898 & Lily 1901
Address 27 St Peter St, Bethnal Green, London in 1911
Edwin Gavell
Electoral Date 1912
Street Address 27 St. Peter Street
Ward or Division/Constituency Bethnal Green North East
County or Borough Tower Hamlets
Edwin Henry Gavell
Maud Emily Walker
Electoral Date 1933
Street Address 27 St. Peter Street
Ward or Division/Constituency Bethnal Green
County or Borough Tower Hamlets
No Gavell's on ER with Maud Emily Walker year 1939
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Ladyhawk, looks as though Maud did marry.
Marriages Sep 1917
Gavell Maud E Walker Shoreditch 1c 87
Walker Arthur O (Owen) Gavell Shoreditch 1c 87
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Edwin Gavell is a witness
added--image on Anc*
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Name Arthur Owen Walker
Australia, World War I Service Records, 1914-1920
Age 36
Birth Year abt 1878
Birth Place London, England
Dossier Year Range 1914-1920
Enlistment Place Sydney, New South Wales
Service Number 3484
Spouse
Maud Walker
Next of Kin Maud Walker (address given as 27, St Peter's Street,Hackney
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MS Maud Emily Walker still at "27, St Peter's Street/Ave in 1939 electoral register.
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added, possible death of Maud (same dob as per 1939 war register)
Name Maude Emily Walker
Death Age 87
Birth Date 27 Sep 1887
Registration Date Oct 1974
[Nov 1974]
[Dec 1974]
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district Hackney
Inferred County Greater London
Volume 12
Page 1400
added
Arthur O Walker
abt 1884 Oct 1964 Oct-Nov-Dec Hackney London
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I am trying to find the marriage of Edwin Henry Gavell. He was born in 1852, in Shoreditch, the son of Joseph and Hannah Gavell.
A marriage for Edwin if he did marry is proving pretty elusive ???
first child, Maud my ancestor, born about 1887.
Do you have Maud’s birth certificate ? If you do, what are her parents names, father's occupation, address and who was present at birth?
Is this her birth entry?
GAVELL, MAUD EMILY mmn WELFORD
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 153
If you don’t have the b/c you can order a digital image of the above entry from GRO for £2.50, once the payment is completed a link to the image is provided.
An article re:- instant-access images of birth records from 1837-1922 and deaths from 1837-1887
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01so0/
Do you have Edwin's 1933 death certificate? Who registered his death?
R3569 Edwin Henry Gavell age 81
Burial 11 Nov 1933 City of London & Tower Hamlets Cemetery
Abode 27 St Peters Street, Bethnal Green
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Until OP answers findings so far found I'm moving on.
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Until OP answers findings so far found I'm moving on.
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SS - OP has not been back online since they posted the request
I’m just adding this as I think like jonw65 your suggestion that Edwin & Annie Gavell are living together after the death of their respective spouse/partner seems to be a very good theory - ie Annie Gavell nee Mitchell looks to be the sister in law of Edwin Henry Gavell but no marriage found for Edwin Gavell to Emily Welford
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/166314/john-gavell/
SERJEANT JOHN GAVELL
Service Number: 10661
Regiment & Unit/Ship
Middlesex Regiment 1st Bn.
Died 04 October 1915
Son of Mrs. A. Gavell, of 27, St. Peter's St., Hackney Rd., London.
In loving Memory of My Dear Son gone but not forgotten
John Henry Gavell born Oct 18th
Baptism 9 Nov 1884 St Jude, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
Father John Joseph Gavell Mother Annie
GAVELL, JOHN HENRY mmn MITCHELL
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 176