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Title: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: dicko99 on Monday 11 September 23 14:16 BST (UK)
Hello there,

My grandfather (who I never knew) was born in 1899 in Hammersmith, London. I know very little about him but I've just found him in the 1921 census serving as a rifleman in the 1st battalion of the Rifle Brigade in Cawnpore, India.

I've tried search on Ancestry for more records but nothing matches with great certainty. Can anyone recommend the best way to find out more information?

TIA,
Richard
Title: Re: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 11 September 23 14:54 BST (UK)
Service records for people serving after 1920 are mostly still with the MOD.
See: https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-records-of-service

These records are slowly being transferred to The National Archives.
Title: Re: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: dicko99 on Monday 11 September 23 15:11 BST (UK)
Service records for people serving after 1920 are mostly still with the MOD.
See: https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-records-of-service

These records are slowly being transferred to The National Archives.

Thanks for that, I've submitted an FOI request via the National Archives so we'll see what comes back.

R.
Title: Re: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: amondg on Monday 11 September 23 15:14 BST (UK)
1920 he is on an absent voters list for Hammersmith. (ancestry)

William Thomas Dickens 549 Kings Road     S/45735  1st. Rifle Brigade

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Is this the correct one there seems to be more than one by the same name
Title: Re: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: dicko99 on Monday 11 September 23 15:33 BST (UK)
1920 he is on an absent voters list for Hammersmith. (ancestry)

William Thomas Dickens 549 Kings Road     S/45735  1st. Rifle Brigade

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Is this the correct one there seems to be more than one by the same name

That must be him, his mother and a sister are at that address in the 1921 census.

R.
Title: Re: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 11 September 23 17:45 BST (UK)
He was a PoW in Lamsdorf camp in 1918, Captured on 27 May.
Title: Re: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: dicko99 on Monday 11 September 23 18:05 BST (UK)
He was a PoW in Lamsdorf camp in 1918, Captured on 27 May.
Shaun,

Is there a record of that on-line somewhere? As I said, I know almost nothing about his life.

R.
Title: Re: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 12 September 23 00:01 BST (UK)
Red Cross PoW record:  https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/2407579/698/34251/

For some reason the Germans had him down as Northumberland Fusiliers
Title: Re: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: dicko99 on Tuesday 12 September 23 00:11 BST (UK)
He seems to be listed more than once...
https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/5283352/698/35140/
Title: Re: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 12 September 23 00:28 BST (UK)
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He seems to be listed more than once...
https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/5283352/698/35140/

Good find. Darmstadt.
Title: Re: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: amondg on Tuesday 12 September 23 07:05 BST (UK)
Part of his service record is on Find My Past

Go to Military and look under William Dickens born Kensington age 19

It gives a service number of 402573.

Then I think two files have been mixed up during filming or by human error.

The service number 402573 is crossed through and 127683 stamped on the record.
The second number belongs to another William Dickens age 45 when he signed up WWI, who was a groom. Is it perhaps his father who was 40 in 1911 and I know on one census his occupation was a Groom.
So you will find DECEASED stamped on some records anyway one of them was discharged 29 March 1919 transferred to the reserves given a 20% disability due to lung problems from bronchitis, pleurisy and exposure and was in the General Hospital in Calais. Address 549 Kings Road.
His father was not listed on the 1921 census.

It is a very confusing file.
Title: Re: Trying to find more info about William Thomas Dickens' military service
Post by: dicko99 on Tuesday 12 September 23 09:16 BST (UK)
Part of his service record is on Find My Past

Go to Military and look under William Dickens born Kensington age 19

It gives a service number of 402573.

Then I think two files have been mixed up during filming or by human error.

The service number 402573 is crossed through and 127683 stamped on the record.
The second number belongs to another William Dickens age 45 when he signed up WWI, who was a groom. Is it perhaps his father who was 40 in 1911 and I know on one census his occupation was a Groom.
So you will find DECEASED stamped on some records anyway one of them was discharged 29 March 1919 transferred to the reserves given a 20% disability due to lung problems from bronchitis, pleurisy and exposure and was in the General Hospital in Calais. Address 549 Kings Road.
His father was not listed on the 1921 census.

It is a very confusing file.

Thanks for that. As you say, I think nearly all the records pertain to William Dickens Snr. He is listed as a bugler in the 1891 census. I don't know his death date. In the 1921 census he isn't listed with his wife at 549 Kings Road but she calls herself 'Wife' rather than widow.

The lung problems are interesting too as my Mum says William Dickens Jr wasn't a well man when she knew him and said that his lungs had been damaged by gas during WWI. However, I'm a little dubious of this seeing as we now have him serving in India in 1921. That said, he was dead by the age of 56 and one of the causes listed was bronchitis.

R.

Edit: I've just found William Snr's death date listed in the military records on FindMyPast, 14 Jul 1920.