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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: rewphoor on Sunday 10 September 23 10:56 BST (UK)
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I would appreciate any help I can get for info on the above. Married to Margaret (I think Wright?); Griffiths valuation has them in County Tyrone, Dungannon, Cookstown. Three sons William, Robert and Samuel.
William and Robert ended up in Glasgow, Samuel married Ellen Fluke and stayed in Glaslough Co. Monaghan.
Mother Margaret died at Samuel's home in 1879 but I can find no trace of father Robert who I think was a farmer.
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Margaret Russel (one L) died at Emy, Co. Monaghan- age 88 and widowed-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06496/4870172.pdf
So, according the the informant (Samuel Russel) she was born c1791 making her considerably older than husband Robert if he was born c1810.
Samuel Russell married Ellen Fluke in 1871 Armagh district but his residence given as Emy, Co, Monaghan. Father listed as Robert Russell but no indication is he is living or dead.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11358/8169581.pdf
It's quite possible that Robert Russell died before the start of civil registration of deaths (1864).
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Griffiths Valuation shows a Samuel and William Russell in Emy.
https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/monaghan/donagh.htm
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If this is Samuel - Sam in 1901, he shows as born Monaghan.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Monaghan/Emyvale/Emy/1636135/
Where do you have the family in GV in ‘Dungannon, Cookstown’?
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There is a comprehensive tree for Robert who went to Scotland.
A marriage is detailed
1859, Woolwich.
Robert is a Bombardier, in Royal Artillery with father Robert, a Farmer.
His bride is Mary Ann Smith.
Is this your family?
There is a military pension record but it is on Fold3 which is a pay site
Robert Russell 39 yrs (b 1831) Donagh, Glass Lough, Monaghan.
(Presumably, Glaslough, the same parish as Emy.)
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Thank you both for your help.
heywood - Yes, this is my family, I have put a pretty full tree onto the LDS site for Robert from joining up in 1846 to moving to Glasgow in 1871 with seven children.
I can only find a Robert Russell and Margaret Russell in "Dungannon, Middle and Upper, Cookstown, Donaghenry, Drumgormal.
Father Robert remains a mystery
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I noticed that Samuel, age 72, died on Xmas Day, 1906. Son, Samuel present & his sister, Ellen Jane who was deaf & dumb (From 1901 & 1911 census). Very sad.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05538/4552633.pdf
Son, Samuel married a widow, Margaret Whitten (Donalson) in 1925.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1925/09146/5307943.pdf
Samuel died, 1957, age 75, Emyvale
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04392/4142002.pdf
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Samuel Russell jnr married for the second time to Lily Elizabeth Steenson in 1939.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1939/08855/5202005.pdf
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I can only find a Robert Russell and Margaret Russell in "Dungannon, Middle and Upper, Cookstown, Donaghenry, Drumgormal.
Father Robert remains a mystery
Here is the GV that you refer to - in Drumgormal townland.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01snh/
Robert and Margaret are shown as occupiers of different adjacent plots - 10a and 10b.
Valuation Revision books
1862 Margaret is crossed through and Robert shown for both.
1864/1878 show Robert as the occupier of both.
1879, Robert is crossed through and Robert John takes over.
Death for Robert Russell, Drumgormal.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1877/020542/7208352.pdf
Does this fit with your research?
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There is an administration record for Robert who died in 1877 which names Ellen Russell, the widow.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp
There is a marriage in 1852 - Robert Russell, Drumgormill, to Ellen McIntyre.
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heywood, thank you for making the link. I had spotted this death before but did not make the connection because the name Letitia hasn't come up before. It looks very much like this is what I've been looking for and opens up another avenue for me. many thanks
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On further investigation, this looks like the wrong connection.
Letitia was present at the death of both Robert Russell and Ellen Russell where she is recorded as Ellen's daughter. This would appear to eliminate "my" Robert and Margaret from this family.
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Yes, I think it is the wrong family.
You would be better, perhaps, searching around Monaghan.