RootsChat.Com
Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Gerryk on Saturday 09 September 23 12:07 BST (UK)
-
Hi. I'm trying to find out any information about Martin Barron, an Irishman, who emigrated to NZ around 1900 and died in Ponsonby, Auckland, in 1924. I've seen his death certificate. I'm particularly interested in any family members he had. However, I can't seem to get any census information.
Martin had been married to Margaret, and had five children, all of whom emigrated with him from Ireland in 1887, but to where, initially, I am not sure.
His last Will left his goods (he was a labourer) to Edward Long of Manaia. There was no mention of any family.
Many thanks
Gerry
-
Hello Gerry
Unfortunately in New Zealand, we don't have census information in the same format as that of say, the UK, (- although censuses were taken in NZ - these were of no value to family historians and mostly were destroyed). We do however have other records we can use as substitutes. ;)
In looking at electoral rolls, I can find Martin BARRON residing in the Taranaki region from 1900. By 1908 he is at Pihama (a setttlement in Taranaki) working as a labourer, and between 1911 and 1914 he is in the same region and listed as a "poundkeeper" residing at Manaia. Still there also in 1919.
By 1922 he appears on the Auckland West electoral roll, - living at Little Sisters of the Poor and is described as an "inmate".
From those earlier Taranaki rolls, he appears to be living without family around... and although there are one or two persons named BARRON in the vicinity, they possibly are not related ? (I could well be wrong on that, but without having names of his family. it's only guesswork on my part. ;D)
The following notices appeared in newspapers, recording his death. While described as an "old identity", I think that maybe refers to his age ?? ... rather than the length of time he spent at Manaia and environs. I also note from his death certificate (annexed to Probate record - see link below), that the "Years in NZ" column, states "about 25 years" - which is consistent with the time of his first appearance on the Taranaki electoral roll.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HNS19240123.2.8
[ ... similar notice in "Taranaki News" ]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/STEP19240124.2.13
Link * to Probate file for Martin BARRON > ... includes copy of his death cert.
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE54835449
* Do you have names / birth years, for the children of Martin and Margaret ??
It is possible that they may have arrived firstly in Australia ? Martin hasn't shown up on any passenger lists to NZ but that would not be unusual if he'd been in Australia prior, as no further immigration procedures were required to enter New Zealand from there.
~ Lu
Added: * This link should work at a later time (Archives NZ site under maintenance currently)
-
His Findagrave entry has his birth as 1857. I have looked for possible marriages in Ireland to a Margaret but none would fit with his age & having 5 children by 1887.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/253580770/martin-barron
-
His last Will left his goods (he was a labourer) to Edward Long of Manaia. There was no mention of any family.
Gerry ... just adding this for Edward LONG (in case you are interested ).
Death of Edward LONG >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HAWST19351223.2.27
There is a marriage recorded in NZ for - Edward LONG - Margaret SLATTERY - Year : 1900
I checked this against two trees published at ancestry.com - bride appears to have been Margaret Ellen SLATTERY.
There were a few "so-called obituaries" pop up for Edward LONG in 1935 (all only a mere line or two). The following though paints a most favourable picture of the man >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TDN19351224.2.74
Edward William Patrick LONG - born c. 1906 - s/o above Edward, was the beneficiary of Martin BARRON's estate, with Edward LONG being the executor of same. Maybe it was their "Irishness" that united Martin and Edward ? (Edward was born in Limerick.)
~ Lu
-
correction:- On findmypast there was a Martin Barron, born 1852, on an Australian passenger list in 1887
-
Martin BARRON >
His age is given as 72 * years at his death in 1924 ... = bc 1852 ??
Added : * this age is as reported in newspaper notices .
Have just located this entry in Australia >>
BARRON - Martin
Age : 35 years - Birth Year : 1852
Per ship "Oroya" to Victoria, Australia
Date: August 1887
Can try and follow up on this ... does look as if he was possibly travelling alone to Australia ??
~ Lu
added: oops ... sorry Kloumann ... our posts seemed to have crossed ;D
-
Martin BARRON - is the last name appearing at the end of this list > [Ship: Oroya - 1887 ]
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/4265C2CF-F96C-11E9-AE98-0BD8C3464E1D?image=156
Not much help (information-wise) really. ???
~ Lu
-
Should have checked this earlier (given what the Findagrave result showed - although I always favour an official record over the volunteer-transcribed Findagrave listings). 8)
NZ BDM - Death index has >
1924/232 - BARRON - Martin - 67 years [= bc 1857 ]
So the NZ newspapers have 72 years ... who's to say which is correct ??? ;D
~ Lu
-
Many thanks to you all for this rapid research.
We have a Barron relative living in Aus who has done great research already. But his information on Martin was limited.
What we know as fact is that Martin was born on 29 Jul 1851. He had one older brother, Patrick, who had emigrated to New Zealand in the early 1880s. (No family is known of.) Their mother died in 1856, and their father remarried, so there are many half-siblings.
Patrick, his only full brother, was in the Auckland area of New Zealand, working as a gold miner at St. Bathans. His name did not appear on electoral rolls in 1893, so perhaps he either died or left New Zealand then.
Martin married Margaret (nee Delahunty) on 21 Sep 1875. They had five children, Ellen (1877), Patrick (13 Mar 1879), Thomas (21 Dec 1880), Bridget (26 Mar 1884) and Richard (3 Mar 1887).
When Richard was but a few months old, Martin, Margaret and their five children left their farm on Little Island, Carrick on Suir, Tipperary and emigrated. (Little Island was a farm. To get to the mainland the cattle swam across and Martin followed in a boat!)
Thanks to your research, we know now that he certainly went to Victoria. However, can we find out if his wife and children were with him?
In any case, he seems to have been without children or wife for his time in NZ.
Again, many thanks for all this help. Much appreciated.
Gerry
-
Will take another look for Margaret BARRON and children ... later today.
~ Lu
-
Their marriage in 1875. His age is listed as 29. That threw me a bit.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11214/8110852.pdf
-
I see that. But his brother was born in 1850. His parents only married in 1849.
-
On the same voyage to Melbourne, AUS. - "Oroya" - Aug. 1887 >
Elizabeth BARRON - 44 years - Nurse ???
Is she related ?
https://prov.vic.gov.au/archive/4265C2CF-F96C-11E9-AE98-0BD8C3464E1D?image=153
~ Lu
-
Elizabeth not one of the family names. I’m going to see if he left the family behind in Ireland for some reason.
-
I’m going to see if he left the family behind in Ireland for some reason.
Yes ... good idea.
Adding link to passenger lists into Victoria, AUS in case you wish to search further. [Some passengers appear on lists as just ... "Mrs / Miss / Mr" etc. with ages shown at time of their journey.
Not easy to search. ]
https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration/unassisted-passenger-lists
~ Lu
-
Much appreciated. This community of helpers is fab!!!
-
Patrick, his only full brother, was in the Auckland area of New Zealand, working as a gold miner at St. Bathans. His name did not appear on electoral rolls in 1893, so perhaps he either died or left New Zealand then.
Are you wanting to find Patrick in NZ ??
If so, can we have a birth date (or year of birth), please ?
~ Lu
-
Only have the year 1850. His parents married 1849.
At this stage, I’m beginning to think this is a successful dead end. Both Patrick and Martin never went to USA
I’m trying to find a Barron who fathered a child in South Carolina USA, giving rise to my currentDNA match (4th cousin) there today.
I though Patrick and his brother were the most likely suspects. But this seems to be impossible.
However, your research has unearthed new information that is worth pursuing.
Again, many thanks.
Gerry
-
Info for Patrick BARRON (in New Zealand) :
Patrick, his only full brother, was in the Auckland area of New Zealand, working as a gold miner at St. Bathans. His name did not appear on electoral rolls in 1893, so perhaps he either died or left New Zealand then.
Seems probable that Patrick BARRON actually remained in the South Island of New Zealand rather than having ventured to the major city of Auckland (North Island) ? St Bathan's is located in the South Island and all newspaper reports indicate he was working and residing in that vicinity from about 1872, at least. [Archives New Zealand - references to mining claims - 1872 + . These are only index listings. ]
PapersPast (our historical newspapers site) https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers
has further info for Patrick BARRON : [On sidebar of search feature, select "Title" - from which you can narrow down newspapers to search on. Select "Otago" for the region. Mostly Patrick BARRON appears in newspapers "Lake Wakatipu Mail" / "Loke County Press" ] :
I've located Patrick's burial place also ... see following post >
~ Lu
-
Wow!
Both brothers were a little strange. I think of Martin being with the Little Sisters in 1924, more than likely destitute at that time.
Sad.
But thanks for unearthing and expanding their history. I’ll put it up on Ancestry. (If you’re interested, I’m Gerry Kane, public tree). The Barrons were a fertile lot. Hard to follow them all.
-
Patrick BARRON :
He appears to have re-located to Dunedin (South Island) once his mining days were over.
I find this link a little annoying ::) ;D ... but thankfully there is also info from the burial register available.
https://www.dunedin.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/cemeteries-search?recordid=1934&type=Burial
Burial Register for Anderson's Bay Cemetery, Dunedin, Otago : [Transcript]
Block 24 -- Plot 164 -- Class 3
BARRON - Patrick : Died 11 June 1915 aged 78 years - a miner - resident at Anderson's Bay - Born County Kilkenny, IRE - lived 54 years in province* - Buried 14 June 1915 (Roman Catholic) :
[ * province is Otago ]
[Note : Date of birth equates to 1837 ... which may not be correct. If he had no family locally, then his age may just have been guessed at. "54 years in province of Otago" - again probaby an estimation ? - has him arriving about the time of the Otago gold rush. Many men left the goldfields of Victoria (AUS) around this time ... Patrick too, may have come to NZ from Australia ? ]
~ Lu
-
That all sounds plausible. I’ll add it to the Ancestry tree, which can act as a sort of flycatcher. Tomorrow!
Ta.
-
Info for Patrick BARRON (in New Zealand) :
.... sorry - this I posted this in error ... (don't seem to be able to erase all of message, so have left it as such.)