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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: Gene Genius on Sunday 03 September 23 19:07 BST (UK)
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John Evans (Brewer) m Elizabeth Ellis in Wrexham 1846. Her father John Ellis.
They lived mainly at 18 Bridge Street.
So how come according to the GRO digital online copies of their five children's births, the mother's former name was Eddowes?
The five children are Mary, John, Richard, Rose Anna and Charles born 1847, 1850, 1852, 1855, 1858 respectively.
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Have you found an Eddowes/Ellis marriage?
Perhaps she was born Eddowes but raised as Ellis.
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Have you found her in 1841 census?
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What is her father’s occupation?
There is a baptism
Feb 17th 1827, Wrexham
Elizabeth Eddowes, daughter of John and Mary, Bank Street.
John is a Maltster - so that fits with the Brewing theme.
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There is another Elizabeth Eddowes baptised 1829 - same parents but John’s occupation is a Carrier.
There is a child Ann baptised the same day.
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An Elizabeth Eddowes marries in Wrexham in 1845, for information.
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1841 census for Wrexham are not online.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01smk/
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Have now done quite a bit of research on the Eddowes family but am more puzzled by the Ellis connection.
I suppose it is possible that John Evans married an Elizabeth Ellis in 1846. She could have died almost straight away and then he got another Elizabeth pregnant (Eddowes) and they had their first child Mary in Holt in 1847.
Possible but highly unlikely.
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1829 Wrexham birth for Elizabeth Eddowes - trees have her as dying in 1838 - but they could all have copied each other.
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1841 census for Wrexham are not online.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01smk/
They may not be online but they are available - Denbighshire Archives and National Archives.
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John and Mary Eddowes are at 1851 2503/480/14
He is now a Coal Jagger.
John Eddowes married Mary Whitfield in 1826.
What is Elizabeth’s fathers occupation on the marriage?
Who were the witnesses?
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Fàrmer
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As Osprey says, the Wrexham area1841 census is missing. I do have the transcriptions of the listings of Wrexham town. The original lists were found inside a book in a second hand bookshop. Clwyd FHS then produced a booklet transcribed from the lists.
If you think they might be in Wrexham itself, I'll have a look for you.
Gadget
Note - the Wrexham Town transcripts are the only ones available for the wider Wrexham area. There are many threads on here about this.
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What is her father’s occupation?
There is a baptism
Feb 17th 1827, Wrexham
Elizabeth Eddowes, daughter of John and Mary, Bank Street.
John is a Maltster - so that fits with the Brewing theme.
The 1841 lsiting does have this information, which woulld fit with Elizabeth's age:
Beast Market
Mary Eddowes 35
Elizabeth, 14
George, 10
Edmond, 7
Esther, 5
John, 2
Thomas, 2
Al born County.
No other information Bank street is in the same area as the various markets. I knew the area well in my youth!
Gadget
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The names that I've listed on the 1841 transcript match the names on the 1851 that heywood refers to.
Gadget
Add the 1851 address is also Beast Market :)
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1829 Wrexham birth for Elizabeth Eddowes - trees have her as dying in 1838 - but they could all have copied each other.
Gadget’s information shows an Elizabeth in 1841 with John and Mary.
Is she Elizabeth Ellis though?
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It's the same family that you found in the 1851, heywood. No suitable Elizabeth Ellis on the 1841 so far.
Elizabeth is not with the Eddowes family in 1851.
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Just checked the Wrexham parish records for burials.
Elizabeth Eddowes was buried 18 Nov 1837. She was aged 2 Listed as of Bersham - a mining township outside of the town of Wrexham.
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Perhaps the marriage certificate information might help:
Father’s occupation; residence; witnesses.
Sorry, I see it has been posted - ‘Farmer’. So that doesn’t fit. :-\
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If he was a farmer, the family were not likely to be living in the town of Wrexham in 1841 so are probably /not listed.
Is there an address for Elizabeth on the marriage cert? The Wrexham RD covered a large rural hinterland.
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At time of marriage John Evans living at Brookside
Elizabeth Ellis living at Beast Market
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Elizabeth Ellis living at Beast Market
This matches Elizabeth Eddowes in the 1841 census.
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Did Elizabeth sign the register herself?
I'm wondering whether, as it was a civil marriage, and she was perhaps not known to the registrar, the less familiar name, 'Eddowes' might have been misheard as 'Ellis'.
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John and Elizabeth made their marks.
I too have wondered if there could have been a case of mishearing.
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John and Elizabeth made their marks.
I too have wondered if there could have been a case of mishearing.
Who were the witnesses?
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The witnesses were Griffith Tudor and Ann Williams