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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Carlow => Topic started by: Lisa_Dee1969 on Saturday 02 September 23 21:33 BST (UK)
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Hello, please can anyone tell me how I can find my grandmother birth certificate which I believe was destroyed in a fire.
BIRTH 20 NOVEMBER 1924 • Carlow, County Carlow, Ireland
DEATH 18 MAR 2007 • 40 Plowden Road, Manchester, Lancashire, England
She must have had a passport as I believed she travelled in later life. She had 2 sisters Bernadette and Patricia. Her father shows as Michael Byrne Deseased on her marriage certificate
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which I believe was destroyed in the fire at the records office?
If you are referring to the fire of 1922 - that would not have affected a birth cert 2 years later?
Are you referring to some other fire??
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Ireland_Record_Loss
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Im thinking the same but maybe it was a church, I cant find anything at all. I know she had a sister Bernadette and I cant find anything on her either.
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The church does not issue birth certs
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Any idea how I can find anything on her please?
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this is too recent to be online, only birth records over 100 years ago are online see IrishGenealogy.ie website (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp).
Birth marriage and death certs were not effected by this fire.
You have to contact or visit the GRO for more recent births
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She married 1947 - her marriage cert will at least give you her fathers name
Marriages Dec 1947
Byrne Margaret Runcorn 10a 1073
Newby Arthur Runcorn 10a 1073
It was a civil marriage so can't be looked up - you have to buy the cert
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Deceased Solider Michael Byrne is her father I have her marriage certificate.
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The church does not issue birth certs
Sorry meant Baptism
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A possible
There is a marriage of a Michael Byrne, solider to Susanna Wall in 1922 Carlow
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1922/09206/5330456.pdf
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What is your source for this information -
"BIRTH 20 NOVEMBER 1924 • Carlow, County Carlow, Ireland"
Can you list all the details in the marriage certificate.
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Death reg shows full birthdate
March qtr 2007 - Margaret Mary Newby aged 83 b 20.11.1924 - Manchester 1K001 006/1K 042
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There is a marriage of a Michael Byrne, solider to Susanna Wall in 1922 Carlow
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1922/09206/5330456.pdf
If this was the right marriage, then an older sister was born in 1922.
Winifred 13 September 1922.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1922/01144/1478218.pdf
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Her Mother was called Mary she died giving birth, her sisters were Bernadette and Patricia, they were sent to the Nuns to raise. Apparently the father Micheal was a Redcoat in the Military.
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Do you have any years of birth for Patricia and Bernadette?
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Her Mother was called Mary she died giving birth, her sisters were Bernadette and Patricia, they were sent to the Nuns to raise. Apparently the father Micheal was a Redcoat in the Military.
What is a Redcoat? I've only heard it in relation to the British in the US back in the early days and through to the American Revolution but would this apply in the 1920s?
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Assuming Michael was married by 1922, may not have been, there is a Michael Carroll 32 home address Carlow wife Mary
https://census.militaryarchives.ie/pdf/Gormanstown_2_Eastern_Division_Eastern_Command_Page_22.pdf
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Assuming Michael was married by 1922, may not have been, there is a Michael Carroll 32 home address Carlow wife Mary
https://census.militaryarchives.ie/pdf/Gormanstown_2_Eastern_Division_Eastern_Command_Page_22.pdf
Is this an error, Sinann?
We are looking for Michael Byrne.
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Must be, where did I get Carroll from???
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No sorry I don't have births for the sisters. It was a family member who mention Redcoats, I was confused also at this?
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Just found out her sister were Patricia and Julia father known as Mick
And Margaret forged her birth certificate as it was destroyed somehow???
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Not Bernadette?
There is a birth in the indexes on Ancestry
Margaret Mary Byrne, Carlow Birth quarter Oct-December 1924 vol 3 page 269.
You can read here about ordering certificates. You can order an uncertified copy for 5 euros.
https://www2.hse.ie/services/births-deaths-and-marriages/order/birth-certificate/
There is a Julia Byrne in 1926, Carlow and 2 or 3 Patricia Byrnes.
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Thank you. Yes that sounds like her, just tried to order but Im not too sure of her Mothers
name :(
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I don’t think you need that. There is possibly an easier certificate application but I can never find it.
Have a search and see.
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/images/content/www.genealogy.ie_form.pdf
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Fantastic, thank you :)