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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: PriceNash on Friday 01 September 23 03:15 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am trying to verify whether John Joass 1770-1849 Gamrie, Banffshire is the John Joass that married either Janet Hird or possibly spelt Herd, and or Janet McCombie.
I could not find a marriage record for Hird but found a marriage index for Janet McCombie. Does anyone have a the marriage record for Janet McCombie which might shed light on which John Joass she married. I haven't located a death record for either of the possible spouses.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
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Related threads, for the avoidance of potential further duplication
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=556768.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=868256.0
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I havent read the other threads as having dinner.
Marriage is on FreeREG, 2 entries, with extra info that is not on Ancestry entry
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Thank Trish, I will check out FreeReg. One site that I have not seen.
Also thanks Anne but the older posts are not really directed at Janet Hird and John and more Alexander and Walter Joass, unless I missed it.
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Last couple of days FreeREG has been very slow so not sure whats going on with it.
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Bookmarking as I have an interest in the Joass family.
Kit
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Not sure if you have much info on the bapt of James Joass 1800 Gamrie?
FreeREG has;
Natural son. Wit: Jas. Hird in McDuff & Alex'r Watson in McDuff
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John Joass that married JANNET MCCOMBIE 22/08/1809 was from Headtown of Cullen. Witness William Joass of Burnside.
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Son: James Joass
Birth of son: Feb 20 1800
Christening of son: Feb 28 1800 - Gamrie, Banff, Scotland
Wife: Janet Hird
The John Joass who married Janet Hird was having kids in 1800 (other John married in 1809)
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Here lies proof that the John Joass who married Janet Hird is the same John from Headtown of Cullen who later married Janet McCombie ...
JAMES JOASS
JOHN JOASS/JANET HIRD FR473 (FR473)
M
28/02/1800
155
20 / 247
Gamrie and Macduff
"John Joass in Headtown Cullen..."
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JOASS JOHN
ALEXR. JOASS/MARY DUNCAN FR384 (FR384)
M
12/04/1770
155
20 / 71
Gamrie and Macduff
He is my X 7 half-uncle - From Mary Duncan. I am from Helen Ross. That is pretty far back and weak DNA.
It's my understanding that the above John Joass is the one you are inquiring about, who married both Janet Hird and Janet McCrombie.
He did die 12/12/1849... I believe (it says seatown of cullen not headtown so not positive) ...listed under John Joap *attached*
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The only child I can find from either marriage is James Joass 1800 ...
I don't see any kids for Janet McCombie.
It's possible John Joass just had the one child. Price are you related to James Joass 1800?
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I havent read the other threads as having dinner.
Marriage is on FreeREG, 2 entries, with extra info that is not on Ancestry entry
The reason for the two entries will be because a marriage register was kept for the parish of Gamrie and a separate one was also kept at Macduff. You should always look at both, as one usually gives more information than the other.
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listed under John Joap *attached*
What you think is a p is actually ss. When ss was written, it was very common to write the first s as a long s. This is also found printed in books and looks like fs, except there is no bar through the middle of the long s as there is with f.
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Son: James Joass
Birth of son: Feb 20 1800
Christening of son: Feb 28 1800 - Gamrie, Banff, Scotland
Wife: Janet Hird
The John Joass who married Janet Hird was having kids in 1800 (other John married in 1809)
The entry for the baptism says "natural son", not "lawful son" and Janet is not described as his wife (although the session clerk was accidentally going to write "his wife", got as far as "his", then scored it out). They were not married.
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Great stuff! Thanks GR2.
Is James Joass 1800 also known as "Captain James Joss"?
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Thanks Alan, I could not find any marriage record for Janet Hird. I wasn't sure if John Joass (1770-1849) was the same John that married Janet McCombie. I didn't find any children to Janet McCombie and with Janet Hird and John having James Joass (1800) which is thought to be James Alexander Joass, master mariner who went to New Zealand. So was looking for information that might confirm all of the above.
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GR2, the information about James not being lawful son but natural son helps immensely. Appreciate everyone's input on this.
My line is from Alexander (1722-1802) and Helen Ross (1745-), Walter Joss (1780-1862) and Ann Mackay (1784-1854).
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My line is from Alexander (1722-1802) and Helen Ross (1745-), Walter Joss (1780-1862) and Ann Mackay (1784-1854).
Have you had your DNA done? I would think it would show us as related because I come from the same family line...
You should only be half-related to John Joass 1770 as you are not related to his mother Mary Duncan. On ancestry it says that I am DNA-related to people coming from Walter Barron Joss 1806-1856 , Isabe Joss 1808 (my great grandmother) , Helen Joss 1813-1888 and Walter Joss 1822 ... those are all siblings and children of Walter Joass 1780 ships carpenter (not the other Walter born same year) and Ann Mckay , except Walter Barron's mother is Elizabeth Barron.
Which way do you fit into Ann McKay and Walter Joass family?
I know the kids are Isobel 1808 , Helen 1813 , John 1815
Also a Walter who's birth doc is missing but his death shows he was born 1822
JOSS WALTER
87
MCKAY
M
1909
232 / 1 / 49
Peterhead
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Hello Alan, my line is from James Joass 1820-1884 who married Elizabeth Duff (1821-1889), they had four children, one being James Duff Joass (1842-1922). JDJ went on to marry Elizabeth Melmeth (1848-1906) in Australia. He and the family then migrated to New Zealand with the exception of Eliza Ann Joass (1865-1938) who was the only child married at the time. She married John Smith (1855-1934) and they are my great grandparents.
We don't seem to be a DNA match using your kit number in gedmatch or on Ancestry. My thinking is that our match is below the threshold and therefore is not reported as a match.
It would be good to see your tree on Ancestry in order to check some of the common ground but also, perhaps solve some of the mysteries of our common ancestors.
Cheers.
Craig
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It took me quite a bit of searching and head scratching to put it all together...
My line is from Alexander (1722-1802) and Helen Ross (1745-), Walter Joss (1780-1862) and Ann Mackay (1784-1854).
I kept thinking you were related to Helen Ross and trying to factor that in. We already figured out that John Joass 12/04/1770 was half-brother to Walter 1780 and not the son of Helen Ross but instead Mary Duncan.
So there is the reason right there that the DNA is not showing up. Too weak as John and Walter are half brothers with different moms.
Still good to know Alexander Joass 1722 farmer of Burnside is your grandfather!