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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: geenz on Saturday 26 August 23 07:16 BST (UK)
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I have a family member who married in July 1910 but a month later in August 1910 left UK for Quebec, Canada. I can not find a record of his return from Canada to the UK sometime in 1911 or 1912 but he had a son in June 1913 in the UK. He is noted as father so has to be back in the UK at the latest by September 1912. His wife stayed in the UK during this period and she had a illegitimate child (born January 1912) while Husband was in Canada, and on the 1911 England and Wales Census she is noted as a single servant, not acknowledging she is married but has been married for a while at that time.
I am aware Canada does not have good records of those outgoing from Canada at this time. I was hoping UK would have a record of him as an incoming passenger.
Any suggestions?
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The son that was born 1913 did the father sign birth certificate ?.If he did return to the UK he should show on the incoming passenger lists .You could try looking for him using a variation of surnames or you could post his name and see if others can find him
Rosie
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The person I am referring to is Norman Nicholas Falla. He was born in Durham on 13 August 1888.
Norman was the informant on his son Maurice's birth certificate.
It also occurred to me that he landed in Canada but at some point later crossed the border into the USA and went home from USA to London.
However I sill cant find Norman on incoming passenger lists to the UK in that period and I would have hoped he would show. Only other thing is a misspelling of his name perhaps?
Norman shows on other incoming passenger lists in later years because he did a return trip home in the 1950s from Australia.
Also, he is named as the informant on the first illegitimate child's birth certificate (Cyril) and his first wife died in 1919. Norman remarried to wife 2 before emigrating to Australia, taking 1 son (Maurice) but not taking the older illegitimate son (Cyril) with him.
Complicated! I know.
I hope this gives a bit more clarity.
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Do you know Norman’s occupation before he sailed to Canada, please?
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The best I can do is:-
1910 marriage cert Norman's occupation is Photographic Manufacturer.
I do not have any occupation from the 1910 voyage to Canada on ship "Lake Champlain"
No record of Norman on 1911 England and Wales Census.
1912 birth cert Norman is a Photographic Material Manufacturer
1913 birth cert Norman is a Photographer
so I imagine any occupation to do with photography in 1910
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The best I can do is:-
1910 marriage cert Norman's occupation is Photographic Manufacturer.
I do not have any occupation from the 1910 voyage to Canada on ship "Lake Champlain"
No record of Norman on 1911 England and Wales Census.
1912 birth cert Norman is a Photographic Material Manufacturer
1913 birth cert Norman is a Photographer
so I imagine any occupation to do with photography in 1910
Canada, Incoming passenger list
Norman Falla, age 22, Single. Born England. Religious denomination: C of England.
Amount of cash in $: 25.00
Destination: Creelman(?), Sask [Saskatchewan].
Occupation from whence you came: Photo Manft. Intended occupation: Farmer.
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Thank you for that information.
That would appear to be Norman going (outbound) from London, UK to Saskatchewan, Canada (incoming to Canada).
To be clear I am searching for is Norman going (outbound) from Canada to London(?), UK (incoming to UK) sometime over the period 1910/1911/1912.
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Thank you for that information.
That would appear to be Norman going (outbound) from London, UK to Saskatchewan, Canada (incoming to Canada).
To be clear I am searching for is Norman going (outbound) from Canada to London(?), UK (incoming to UK) sometime over the period 1910/1911/1912.
I know. ;) I was hoping to find his destination and occupation to see if we could find him in Canada or America after his 1910 arrival. If we could find him in Canada in 1911, it would narrow down the timeframe for his return to England.
I didn’t see anything for him on this website:
http://peel.library.ualberta.ca/index.html
I’ve not yet found a return to England.
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Creelman is a location in Saskatchewan, Canada (being in the south east of Canada, not right on the west coast or east coast of Canada). Pretty near the USA Border.
(See attachment)
So may be he crossed over the border into USA, eventually made it to the East Coast of USA where he departed from there back to England?
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Creelman is a location in Saskatchewan, Canada (being in the south east of Canada, not right on the west coast or east coast of Canada). Pretty near the USA Border.
(See attachment)
So may be he crossed over the border into USA, eventually made it to the East Coast of USA where he departed from there back to England?
Please keep in mind that his intended destination was Saskatchewan but possibly for reasons only known to him, he may not have reached the province. I have come across several instances where the immigrants settled in Ontario and Quebec.
Do you have access to the incoming passenger list? A page or two after Norman’s details, three Miller women are shown as returning Canadians, headed to Creelman. Today, Creelman is a small village; after a quick search, I cannot find its population during the early 1900s. Was it just a coincidence that Creelman was mentioned or did Norman and the Millers know each other? Could tracking the Millers down lead us to Norman? :-\
I’ve not taken the time to see if other passengers were also destined for Creelman.
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I haven’t found the Millers after 1910 but their voyage to England:
Sailed on the Lake Erie, from Montreal and Quebec to Liverpool, England. Arrived 30 Nov 1909.
Margaret Miller, Housewife, age 36
Margaret Miller, age 14
Elizabeth Miller, age 11
All were recorded as “Scotch”
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You might want to check this image but very hard to make out you might have better eyes than me ;)
Norman Kall
Age 24 years
Birth year about 1888
Arrival date 19 July 1912 Liverpool
Departure Quebec Canada
Ship Empress of Ireland
Rosie
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You might want to check this image but very hard to make out you might have better eyes than me ;)
Norman Kall
Age 24 years
Birth year about 1888
Arrival date 19 July 1912 Liverpool
Departure Quebec Canada
Ship Empress of Ireland
Rosie
I think it might be Norman HULL.
his occupation is Fly hand
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No I do not know of a connection to the Millers.
It will take me some time but I will look into the "Empress of Ireland" voyage, Thanks for that suggestion.
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You might want to check this image but very hard to make out you might have better eyes than me ;)
Norman Kall
Age 24 years
Birth year about 1888
Arrival date 19 July 1912 Liverpool
Departure Quebec Canada
Ship Empress of Ireland
Rosie
I think it might be Norman HULL.
his occupation is Fly hand
Thanks mckha ;)
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I have managed to have a look.
The microfiche of the passenger list for Norman is too dark and also not very clear so looking at the original passenger list is very difficult. However "Norman Kall" fits the age (24) and the birth year of 1888 is right. Possibly the "K" could be "Fall" for Falla, it just looks funny. It is a possibility and fits with my Timeline. Pity about the microfiche copy being so dark
I did check Norman Hull, Fly Hand. His age was 18. I do not think this is the correct one.
It was good to have the suggestions though
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I have managed to have a look.
The microfiche of the passenger list for Norman is too dark and also not very clear so looking at the original passenger list is very difficult. However "Norman Kall" fits the age (24) and the birth year of 1888 is right. Possibly the "K" could be "Fall" for Falla, it just looks funny. It is a possibility and fits with my Timeline. Pity about the microfiche copy being so dark
I did check Norman Hull, Fly Hand. His age was 18. I do not think this is the correct one.
It was good to have the suggestions though
Yes it's not a very good copy ???
Rosie