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I am looking to find my maternal great grandmother Isabella Cummings. I believe she was born in or around Edinburgh in 1865/66.
My grandmother was Georgina Cummings married to Matthew Aitken until his death in 1917.
She then married my grandfather William Bain in 1918.
Does anyone out there know of her.
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It looks like Cummings was her married name - what was her maiden name?
Georgina & Matthew married 1912. If you download a copy of their marriage cert it will give you Isabella’s maiden name plus her husbands name
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My understanding is that Cummings was her maiden name s my grandmother’s birth is registered as her being illegitimate.
Lynne
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When & where was Georgina born
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She was born in 1891 in Shotts.
Lynne
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1891 census index has this
CUMMINGS, ISABELLA
1891
F
age 26
655/1 3/ 12
SHOTTS (MIDDLE DISTRICT)
LANARK
CUMMINGS, GEORGINA
1891
F
age 0
655/1 3/ 12
SHOTTS (MIDDLE DISTRICT)
LANARK
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Further info on that census has
David Cummings Head age 27 bn Edinburgh
Isabella (sister) 26 bn Edinburgh
Georgina Niece bn Shotts
Robert Latta (Boarder) bn Rutherglen
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Ancestry have Georgina as George ::)
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1871 - David Cumming 8 & Georg(e)ina Cumming 10 both b Edinburgh in East Lothian as boarders with Archibald & Sarah McDonald
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1861 has a Georgina Cummings aged 2 with mother Alison 25 - both b Edinburgh
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Believe this to be the birth of David Cummings
Name David Cumming
Gender Male
Birth Date 15 Sep 1862
Birth Place Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Father
Bernard Cumming**
Mother
Ann Mc Callum
** death
CUMMING
BERNARD
33
MITCHELL
M
1865
685 / 5 / 293
NEWINGTON
David had a sister Susan 1855-1908, a brother Bernard 1857-1892 and sister Isabella/Georgina c1864
Just to add that Georgina was born 19.3.1891 the illegitimate daughter of Isabella. Born at same address as 1901 census.
SS
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Looks as though Bernard & Ann married after they had most of their children.
CUMMING
BERNARD
MCCALLUM
M
1857
685 / 2 / 539
NEWINGTON AND GRANGE
CUMMING
BERNARD
MCCALLUM
ANN
1863
685 / 5 / 193
NEWINGTON
SS
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I’m confused. Is the Isabella c1866 a sister of David, Bernard and Susan as I can’t see any mention of her on any census prior to 1891 when my grandmother Georgina was noted on it along with David Cummings where his age was stated as 27.
I have found an Isabella born 1866 to parents Michael and Janetta who lived in Alloa. And am wondering if this is the same Isabella on the 1891 census with David Cummings and Georgina.
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Further info on that 1891 census has
David Cummings Head age 27 bn Edinburgh
Isabella (sister) 26 bn Edinburgh
Georgina Niece bn Shotts
Robert Latta (Boarder) bn Rutherglen
Isabella certainly had a brother David as per above, and Georgina's relationship to him and her birthplace, which is correct as per the image of her birth cert and same address in 1891 census,so a good starting point.
We know as from a previous post when and where David was born and his parents, Bernard Cummings & Ann McCallum.
Bernard, David's father died in 1865. We have found David & Georgina in 1871 as per previous post.
Now the tricky bit. Isabella (BC 1865/66). Either her mother Ann(McCallum) was pregnent with her, or Ann fell for Isabella after Bernard's death. I and other cannot find a birth registration for her, either with surname Cummings/ McCallum.
I have no doubts that Isabella is the sister to David.
Do you know per chance when Isabella died.
SS
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1861 scottish census.
Bernard Cumming 28 Head
Ann Cumming 28 Wife
Susan Cumming 5 Daughter
Bernard Cumming 3 Son
Mary A Cumming 10 Mo Daughter
Susan, Bernard & Mary Ann, all their birth certificate indicate parentage of Bernard & Ann McCallum.
David & Isabella born after census.
SS
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My grandmother’s (Georgina born 1891) first marriage certificate in 1912 states her mother as Ann Isabella Cummings. Her first husband Matthew Aitken was a casualty of the First World War.
Her second marriage certificate in 1918 (when she married my grandfather William Bain) states her mother as Isabella Cummings (deceased).
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Yes I have seen both those marriage records. However for the life of me cannot find an appropriate death for Ann Isabella/Isabella that would fit. Have found Georgina in 1911 aged 20 born Shotts as a domestic servant.
Still cannot find 1901 census for either Isabella or Georgina--that would be really useful. Wonder if they are in the workhouse somewhere?
SS
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I found the record of Georgina (my grandmother) in 1911 aged 20. But can only find mention of Isabella and her in the 1891 census as being in Shotts.
I’ve had a look at the poorhouse records for Scotland and can’t find them there either.
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Can I ask softly softly why you think that Ann Isabella/Isabella is a sister to David Cummings son of Bernard Cummings and Ann McCallum. I am at a loss as to where to look next with regards to finding what happened to her and the missing 20 years of my grandmother Georgina Cummings life.
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Lynne Wright, I like you can only go on known facts. 1891 census clearly states that Isabella is the sister of David-so must share at least 1 common parent or both, unless she was adopted. Georgina born 1901 is David's niece.
Working on that and having found David's birth record -parents Bernard & Ann McCullum
Name David Cumming
Gender Male
Birth Date 15 Sep 1862
Birth Place Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland
Father
Bernard Cumming
Mother
Ann Mc Callum
ADDED: David Cumming (NO S) birth certificate shows him as "Illegitimate" son of Bernard & Ann McCullam
So if David IS the son of Bernard & Ann then other children ie Bernard jnr, Susan & Mary Ann are his siblings and in theory siblings/half siblings to Isabella/Ann Isabella.
I cannot give you an answer as to why there is no birth registration, a seemingly 26 year gap until she appears in 1891 and then goes off the radar. She allegedly dies between the 2 marriages of Georgina her daughter but I cannot find a suitable death ref for her.
SS
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Quote from an earlier post by you
"I have found an Isabella born 1866 to parents Michael and Janetta who lived in Alloa. And am wondering if this is the same Isabella on the 1891 census with David Cummings and Georgina."
She appears in 1891 census with her mother Jeanette and siblings so not her.
SS