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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: MrsAitch on Sunday 20 August 23 14:23 BST (UK)
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I've been researching my husbands maternal lineage and although I've answered many questions I've uncovered even more mysteries that I can't resolve. Any pointers in any direction on any of the following would be greatly appreciated.
So it all leads back to this man Joseph Murphy (later known as John Joseph)
Born Donnybrook Dublin 05/02/1906
On 28.10.1928 he married Helena Teresa Nicoloff in Rathmines Dublin.
His address is registered as 10 concrete milltown, hers is Portobello bks. Portobello bks have no record of her. Her father is Theodore Nicoloff Gardener. There doesnt appear to be any further record of her until she is mentioned on his army discharge record as address unknown and then possibly an illegible address in Dundrum (Dublin) her nationality is listed as french.
Also on his army discharge there is an unmarried wife Ann Mars known as Mrs A Murphy
they had 3 children it seems all of which i have obtained birth certs for, they are as following:
Child 1 (girl):01/10/1935 born Marloes road London - mother Anita Murphy domestic servant 70 Walterton road Paddington.
Child 2 (girl): 11/06/1938 born Barnsdale road - mother Ann Murphy
Child 3 (boy): 07/12/1939 born Rendle street London - mother Ann Mars
John Joseph Murphy was discharged from the army in november 1942 due to an injury. Ann/Anita Mars/Murphys address on his discharge record is 4 Bankside cottages, Concrete Milltown, Dublin. I am unable to find any other record for her aside from the army record. I have no further leads on their children.
He married Mary Harris in 1941 and although their eldest child ( born 1942) is recorded on his army record she is not mentioned? They had a further 3 children together. He went on to abandon that family circa 1958, we think he returned to Ireland for a short time but was unable to stay due to medical costs so returned to London. He died in Brentwood hospital in 1982.
I know its a lot but like i say any help on any of it would be so gratefully received. Thanks in advance.
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Hello
Are the three children you mentioned born in the 1930's still alive? If so we are not allowed to discuss living people so their names should be removed from your post :)
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You have an address for the child born in 1939 so could look on the 1939 register for mum there.
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25 August 1939
Kensington News and West London Times
Has a piece about John Joseph Murphy aged 32, Coach painter and his wife Anne Murphy aged 29 of Rendle Street, Paddington were charged at West London Police Court with theft.
I don t have access to the whole newspaper piece.
There appears to be a John Joseph Murphy living in Rendle Street on the 1939
So Ann born circa 1910
Cathy
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Stole a pram and contents apparently. I wonder if it was stolen in anticipation of the birth of their son?
It seems that the pram belonged to a Mrs. Ryalls who was obliged to buy another pram. So perhaps the Murphy's sold it or perhaps not? A little odd in that Mrs. Ryalls saw the pram in the possession of the Murphy's but for some reason didn't get it back.
The magistrate directed that Murphy was to pay as much as he could towards the cost of the pram that Mrs. Ryalls was obliged to buy.
It does say Rendle Street but no number given.
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Thanks all!
I don't know if the children are alive so I wlll remove names just in case. Thanks for letting me know.
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Possible on Electrol. Also Ann Murphy in house
John Joseph Murphy
Residence Date 1934
Residence Street Address 44 Portobello Road
Residence Borough Kensington and Chelsea
Residence Place London, England
Cas
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Possible on Electrol. Also Ann Murphy in house
John Joseph Murphy
Residence Date 1934
Residence Street Address 44 Portobello Road
Residence Borough Kensington and Chelsea
Residence Place London, England
Cas
Having trouble locating that? I have her as Anita Murphy at 70 Walterton road Paddngton on the 1935 electrol. H
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You have an address for the child born in 1939 so could look on the 1939 register for mum there.
Thanks. John Josephis there at 6 Rendle street but as yet no sign of her anywhere!
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Possible on Electrol. Also Ann Murphy in house
John Joseph Murphy
Residence Date 1934
Residence Street Address 44 Portobello Road
Residence Borough Kensington and Chelsea
Residence Place London, England
Cas
Having trouble locating that? I have her as Anita Murphy at 70 Walterton road Paddngton on the 1935 electrol. H
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Cas
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Possible on Electrol. Also Ann Murphy in house
John Joseph Murphy
Residence Date 1934
Residence Street Address 44 Portobello Road
Residence Borough Kensington and Chelsea
Residence Place London, England
Cas
Having trouble locating that? I have her as Anita Murphy at 70 Walterton road Paddngton on the 1935 electrol. H
Found it!
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I have just found another thread on here relating to 28 Marloes Road Kensington. It seems this was a poor law infirmary, possibly run by the sisters of mercy for unmarried mother's. Anyone know how or where I should go to try and find baptism record? H
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You have an address for the child born in 1939 so could look on the 1939 register for mum there.
Just wanted to say thanks for this info. 1910 unlocked a lot of information, that I would never have uncovered