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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: D_P_Miller on Saturday 19 August 23 11:17 BST (UK)
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Hi folks
Looking for information about Archibald Miller my great-grandfather who lived in Rumbling Sikes Craigneuk circa 1865 and Garibaldi Square Craigneuk circa 1900
1. Any information, old photographs of him and his family
2. Any information, old photographs of housing in Rumbling Sikes and Garibaldi Square
3. Siblings or offspring of Archibald Miller. I have some information about my grandfather David Miller and his brother Archibald Miller who emigrated to Canada then settled in the USA
Thanks folks
DM
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Hi DM
Welcome to RootsChat :)
You haven't mentioned wives' names or birth years which would help.
Was it David, son of Archibald Miller and Isabella Paterson, who was born in Rumbling Sikes in 1868?
DAVID PATTERSON MILLER
Mother's maiden name PATERSON
1868
639 / 366
Dalziel
Archibald Miller and Isabella Paterson married on 13 April 1866 in Rutherglen, Lanarkshire.
Some children showing for them on the birth indexes on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk include:
James - 16 Oct 1866 in Dalziel
David - as above, on 19 Oct 1868
Isabella Paterson - 16 Oct 1870 in Dalziel...that is 2 births every 2 years born in mid October!
Archibald - 24 June 1873 in Dalziel
There will be more likely.
Monica
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Not sure if you have a subscription to Ancestry? There is a family tree owner who has a photo of Archibald and wife Isabella. See www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/187657269/person/252455662207/facts
1881 census for the family:
Archibald Millar 43 Head coal miner b. Rutherglen, Lanarkshire
Isabella Millar 36 b. Glasgow
James Millar 15 coal miner
David Millar 12
Isabella Millar 10
Archibald Millar 7
Matthew Millar 3
Address Craigneuk 7 Sunnyside Row, Dalziel
The family show as living at 15 Merrys Square Dalziel in 1871.
Monica
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DM, who did David Millar marry? Was it Mary Liddell?
There are the following children showing for them:
Archibald (Thomson) Miller
Christina Liddell Miller...married in Ontario, Canada in 1929
David Paterson Miller
Isabella Paterson Miller...married in Ontario, Canada in 1926. See www.findagrave.com/memorial/233773737/isabella-p-harnett
Jeanie Liddell Hutton Miller...married in Ontario, Canada in 1929
Margaret Lees Miller...twice married in Scotland. Died in PA, USA in a hotel fire in 1923. See www.findagrave.com/memorial/52826632/margaret-winnie
Mary Liddell Miller - married and remained in Scotland
Who was your grandfather, David b. 1868 (Archibald & Isabella) or his son David b. 1903 (David & Mary)?
Monica
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This looks a possibility for the death of David b. 1868:
DAVID MILLER
Age 75
1943
Ref 639 / 618
Dalziel
And wife Mary:
MARY LIDDELL or MILLER
Age 74
1947
Ref 606 / 102
Monkton and Prestwick, Ayrshire
Is this the family in 1901?
David Miller 32 Head coal hewer b. Dalziel
Mary Miller 27 b. Bothwell
Margaret Miller 4
Archibald Miller 3
Isabella Miller 5 months
Address 33 Garibaldi Sqr, Dalziel
So, from all of this so far:
Your grandfather - David b. 1903
Your great grandfather - David b. 1868
Your g great grandfather - Archilbald born in the 1840s.
Monica
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...and his brother Archibald Miller who emigrated to Canada then settled in the USA
Did Archibald come back to Scotland? There is this death entry on the index on www.scotlandspeople.gov.
ARCHIBALD MILLER
Age 82
Mother's maiden name LIDDELL
1981
Ref 760 / 111
Inveresk, East Lothian
Two marriages for him:
Charlotte Coleman Coulter, died 1945
Agnes Petrie Caithness Smith, died 1997
Monica
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Is this family the right family for you, DM? You said in your post that your Grandfather David Miller migrated to Canada and then made his life in the US?
The David Paterson Miller born 1903 and the whole line up from there to Archibald. This David died in an Edinburgh hospital, Scotland in 1960. See clip below from his death reg:
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Assuming that Monica has found the correct family ---- (please confirm D-P)
The family of Archibald Miller and Isabella Paterson (as far as I can see)
James Miller born 1866
David Paterson Miller born 1868
Isabella Miller born 1871
Archibald Miller born 1873
Matthew Thomson Miller born 1878
Janet Miller born 1882
John Miller born 1884
Helen (Ellen) Thomson Miller born 1888
Alexander Miller born 1890 died 1891
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This document gives some useful family information ---
Application for Parish Relief - 29 Jan 1901
Applicant Isabella (Paterson) Miller. 216 Burnside Row Craigneuk
Married 13 April 1866 Rutherglen. Protestant, Age 56, widow.
daughter of David Paterson (Coalminer) and Janet Gillies.
Her husband Archibald Miller, 61, miner, died 22 Dec 1897 at Craigneuk Archibald born Tollcross, son of James Miller (miner) and Helen Thomson.
Family (not dependent):
James 34 born Motherwell, miner , McDonalds building Craigneuk, Married - 4 children
David 32 born Craigneuk, miner, 19 Garibaldi Square, Married - 3 children
Isabella 29 born Craigneuk married to Adam Durham, miner , 2 children, Burnside Row Craigneuk
Archibald 27 born Craigneuk , miner, single living with sister Isabella at Burnside Row
Matthew 22 born Craigneuk, miner, single living with sister Isabella at Burnside Row
Janet 19 born Craigneuk, married to John McLeod, Burnside Row
John 17 born Craigneuk, miner, single, single living with sister Isabella at Burnside Row
(The daughter Ellen Miller, a domestic servant, applied for parish relief in May 1905)
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James Millar married Helen Thomson 10 Feb 1828 Old Monkland.
Apart from your Archibald, there is birth record for a son named Matthew born 16 July 1841 Rutherglen.
Matthew married Janet Robertson in 1867. He was also a miner.
This leads to find the Miller family in the 1851 census (father James is dead)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/62063f53f493fd7d2d3a5d48/mathew-miller-1851-lanarkshire-rutherglen-1842-?locale=en
and the family in 1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14dd23f4040b9d6ee2e754/archd-miller-1841-lanarkshire-rutherglen-1838-?locale=en
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Hi folks.
I'm receiving information on my Miller family that ties in with the little information I've gleaned so far. Thanks to all who've responded in such a short time
PS. I'm new to this website so I may not get back as quickly as I'd like
DM
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Hi DM
Take your time with it all :)
A question for when you log back on. Did your grandfather die in the US? Just concerned that we have a death for David b. 1903 in Scotland really...
Monica
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My grandfather David Paterson Miller died in Motherwell (Dalziel Parish).
He died in his home in 65(?) Milton St Motherwell 1943
However, he had a brother Archibald Miller who died in the USA
My Uncle David Paterson Miller was born 1903 in Douglas(?) Lanarkshire
He died in Edinburgh 1960(?)
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Isabella Telford PATERSON (wife of Archibald Miller)
Born 4 Oct 1846 Shotts, Lanark
Father - David Paterson
Mother - Janet Gillies
(Parents married in Shotts on 22 Sept 1844)
The Paterson family in 1851 census -
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14fc94f4040b9d6e05ec10/isobela-paterson-1851-lanarkshire-cambusnethan-1847-?locale=en
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Cambusnethan cemetery Wishaw, burial records.
JANET PATERSON, housewife, Rumblingsykes, aged 47 years, married.
Parents - Alexander Gillies and Isabella Tedford.
Interred in common ground on 16th December 1868.
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Rumblingsykes was the old name for Craigneuk, the name fell into disuse about the turn of the 19th century.
Janet was buried in common ground, which meant she was given a pauper's funeral, so there wouldn't have been a headstone or grave marker of any kind.
I couldn't find any other interments for a combination of "Paterson & Gillies" in Cambusnethan burial records.
I have never seen any photographs of Rumblingsykes or Garibaldi Square, the latter was slum housing of the worst sort, it was demolished many years ago.
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Just to thank all contributed and respondent's to my original query
Still looking for 19th / early 20th century photos of
Garibaldi Square
Sunnyside Row
Rumbling Sike
For my Miller family Tree research
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The Wishaw Press and Advertiser 30 August 1879
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1897 map showing Cowie's Square
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Since I first asked if anybody could help me with my Craigneuk Miller family information the response has been great. Some of the detailed information provided makes me think that some others in the wider Miller family has been compiling their own family tree. I would love to make contact with them to exchange family information. Be great if you get in touch DM
PS. Monica's input has been very helpful
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Below is a list of eight interments in the Dalziel Parish cemetery in Motherwell, usually called the Globe cemetery. All 8 are interred in public ground, sometimes called common ground. In other words, they had a pauper's burial. Some had the AR spelling of Millar, while some had the ER spelling, I have transcribed them all here as MILLAR, for consistency. All dates are of interment, you can probably knock off 2 days to get the exact date of death.
They may help fill in some blanks in your family tree.
MATTHEW THOMSON MILLAR. 15 Cowie's Square. Aged 9 months.
Parents - Archibald Millar & Isabella Paterson.
28th December 1876.
JOHN MILLAR. Craigneuk. Aged 8 months.
Parents - Archibald Millar & Isabella Paterson.
24th November 1880.
WILLIAM PATERSON MILLAR. Craigneuk. Aged 8 months.
Parents - Archibald Millar & Isabella Paterson.
26th March 1887.
STILLBORN CHILD MILLAR. 201 Windmillhill Street. (Motherwell).
Parents - John Millar & Isabella Gardner.
27th March 1890.
ALEXANDER MILLAR. Craigneuk. Aged 1 year.
Parents - Archibald Millar & Isabella Paterson.
2nd December 1891.
ARCHIBALD MILLAR, miner. 216 Craigneuk. Aged 63 years. Married.
Parents - James Millar & Ellen Thomson.
25th December 1897.
ALLAN MILLAR. 9 McDonald's Land, Craigneuk. Aged 1 year.
Parents - James Millar & Isabella B. Gardner.
16th October 1900.
MATTHEW THOMSON MILLAR. Burnside's Land, Craigneuk. Aged 13 months.
Parents - James Millar & Isabella Gardner.
19th August 1902.
A "Land" here in Scotland referred to a "land of houses", usually but not always, a tenement building (of various sizes). Mostly they were named after the proprieter, in this case - McDonald and Burnside.
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Further research of my Miller family has led me to Baillieston previously in Old Monklands parish. I found a Lees family connection address given c.1850 as Lawson Land Baillieston.
So far I have been unable to locate Lawson Land (or Row) amid hundreds of pit rows houses that are shown in Baillieston maps between 1850 to 1900.
Has anyone any information or suggestions on how I can find this information?
PS. Although I was born and brought up in Motherwell, by pure coincidence, I now live in Garrowhill which caused a lot of Old Baillieston to disappear when it was built.
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Can you find them in the 1851 census on FreeCEN www.freecen.org.uk? Once you have found them, you can click on the next or previous household and build up a list of the neighbouring addresses which may help to home in on the one you are looking for.
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The only Lees in Old Monkland on 1855 V.R.'s is
LEES
PETER
TENANT
HOUSE BAILLIESTON
OLD MONKLAND
1855
VR010700002-
You would need to view the page to see the names of adjacent properties and then try to identify them on map[s
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Hello DM,
I am a descendant of the Archibalds. I dont have a ton of info but I have names from my lines if youd like them.
I am planning a trip in August to Scotland and am trying to research any sites with family significance that may be worth visiting.