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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: TuTuTulip on Friday 18 August 23 02:25 BST (UK)
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I am hoping to get some help with some German research. My 4th great grandfather was Johan Heinrich Vilhelm Frobøs (also recorded as Frohböse)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG3T-YLRL (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG3T-YLRL #62) #62
It appears he was born in Lütjenburg, Holstein around 1800 and married Anna Dorothea Petersen in Copenhagen, Denmark (I am a descendant of a later relationship he had with Juliane Marie Terkelsen). I believe Johan’s parents were Johann Heinrich Frobös and Catharina Sophia Jansen. I would really like to know if Johan (junior) had any siblings but I am having trouble researching German records.
If anyone is able to help me out, I would be hugely appreciative! Many thanks. :)
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your link to family search does´nt work
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your link to family search does´nt work
It does work without #62
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG3T-YLRL
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your link to family search does´nt work
Sorry about that. I have adjusted where the URL link starts and ends on my original post. The #62 refers to where Johan Frobøs can be found on the parish register page.
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I don´t have the time at the moment. If you can wait a few days i´ll get back to you
Dave
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That's absolutely fine. Thanks, Dave. :)
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Junggeselle Johann Hinrich
Frobös, Schneidergeselle aus
Lütjenburg in Holstein, 4 Meilen
von Kiel. Geb den 30 Jan 1801. Nor
derwall 259
Jungfrau, Anna Dorothea Petersen
Hausmanns Tochter von Friedrichs
dahl. Geb. 1791 4 Juli. Nor
derwall 259. getauft in Kadeboe
1 Niels Christian David-
sen, Schlossermeister
2 Johann Hansen, Topfhand
ler
Freytag d(en) 5 Dec 1823
In der Kirche Auf-
geboten d. 30 Nov
1823
Der Kämmerreyschein
ist eingeliefert
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Bachelor, Johann Hinrich Frobös,
Tailor from Lütjenburg in Holstein, 4 miles from Kiel
Born 30 Jan 1801. Norderwall 259
Spinster, Anna Dorothea Petersen
Farmers daughter from Friedrichsdahl
Born 1791 4 July. Norderwall 259. baptized in Kadeboe
Witnesses:
1 Niels Christian Davidsen, Locksmith or Blacksmith?
2 Johann Hansen, Pot and pan trader
Date:
Friday 5 Dec 1823
Banns:
proclaimed in church on the 30 Nov 1823
The official permission for marriage is given
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You should be more precise
where did you get your info from
What documents do you allready have
What exactly are you looking for
Etc. etc.
Dave
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Thanks for translating the document found at the link I gave, Dave.
I don't have a lot of information regarding Johan Heinrich Vilhelm Frobøs' parents — only some names written on a piece of paper that was most likely written by my great-grandfather.
The only document I have is the link posted in my original message and a Danish record of the two children he had with my 4th great grandmother, Juliane Marie Terkelsen (who he appears to have not married).
I am looking for confirmation of Johan's parents (whether they are the people I named in my original post), and if Johan (junior) had any siblings. However, I am not doing very well at researching German records.
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The only document I have is the link posted in my original message and a Danish record of the two children he had with my 4th great grandmother, Juliane Marie Terkelsen (who he appears to have not married).
Hi
According to Magdalene and Alvilde's birth records they were born illegitimate.
Ian
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Here´s his birth cert.
Lütjenburg 1801
Johann Hinrich Frobös zu Wentorf. Johann
Hinrich Frobös, Musqurtier bym Schleswigster
Infantrie Regiment, und Katharina Sophie Jann
sen, vorgeblich ehelicher Sohn, auf der Reise geboren
Gevattern:
Marc Hinrich Jopp
Johann Hinrich Lattendorf
Catharina Maria Ahrens
Henning Friedrich Rönnefeld und Detlef Rönnefeld
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Johann Hinrich Frobös from Wentorf. Johann
Hinrich Frobös, musketeer in the Schleswig infantry regiment
and Katharina Sophie Jannsen, alleged legitimate son
born on their journey through.
Witnesses:
Marc Hinrich Jopp
Johann Hinrich Lattendorf
Catharina Maria Ahrens
Henning Friedrich Rönnefeld und Detlef Rönnefeld
Seems like they were on their way from Wentorf, near Hamburg, to maybe somehere further north.
They were forced to stop in Lütjenberg so she could deliver her child.
So i think they lived somewhere in the vicinity of Copenhagen.
That meaning searching danish records to find other siblings of Johann junior:
Dave
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Yes, that would fit in as Johan Jr. Magdalene and Alvilde were born in the Copenhagen Garnison Parish.
Ian
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So this is like looking for a needle in a hay Stack 🤔
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It doesn't help either as Johan and Juliane didn't seem to get married.
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Hi again TuTuTulip.
I have just realised that our paths have crossed before with this family that emigrated to Australia.
Let's hope we can help you again.
Ian
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Here´s his birth cert.
Seems like they were on their way from Wentorf, near Hamburg, to maybe somehere further north.
They were forced to stop in Lütjenberg so she could deliver her child.
So i think they lived somewhere in the vicinity of Copenhagen.
That meaning searching danish records to find other siblings of Johann junior.
Great find — thanks, Dave — I appreciate it! I am more familiar with Danish records, so I will keep searching through those to see if Johann sr and Katharina had any further children. :)
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Hi again TuTuTulip.
I have just realised that our paths have crossed before with this family that emigrated to Australia.
Let's hope we can help you again.
Ian
Hello Ian! So nice to meet you on here again. :) Thanks so much for all your research last time — it really helped put all those puzzle pieces together. I am hoping this latest quest will help me put together a more extensive tree so I can match up some distant DNA connections. In doing so, I hope to confirm the hypothesis that my 2x great-grandfather is the same person who emigrated to Australia (and somehow ended up in New Zealand)! It's proving to be a tough one though since I know nothing about my 2x great-grandfather's paternal side of the family. I am beginning to suspect that Johan Frobøs (junior) didn't have any siblings, so I might be back to square one with my research (I haven't been successful in finding DNA connections through Johan's other daughter, Alvilda).