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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: JackyFirth on Thursday 17 August 23 13:51 BST (UK)
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Hello :)
I am looking for someone who lives in Bolton and would be kind enough to take pictures of the two headstones located in Heaton Cemetery. I am not sure if these tombstones still exist, but unfortunately there are no photos available on the internet. If someone would be kind enough to help me I would be grateful.
Greetings.
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If you type Heaton Cemetery Bolton Lancashire, you can click on Find a Grave.
You can make a request that the headstone if there is one be photographed. It doesn't cost anything.
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You could also contact the cemetary to check if those graves do still have headstones
Tel 01204 334499
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Thanks for the advice, but unfortunately I can't find any information about the graves on the given page. As for calling Heaton Cemetery in Bolton, unfortunately I don't live in the UK and don't speak perfect English so that would be a problem. But thanks for trying to help.
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Have you looked at deceased online as they have the records for that cemetery. It is a pay per view site though you can search the indexes if you register, that is free
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01slv/
Sometimes it is a good idea just to post the details of who you are looking for on here just in case someone is visiting some time in the future. You would need to know the location of the graves
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Burial registers and indexes on FamilySearch
No graves registers though
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/736891
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Thank you very much for all the links, I already have all these things checked and found. I am registered on the Deceased website and found information about two people I am interested in, but unfortunately I cannot receive more information about the deceased in the free option. The people I am interested in are buried in places 3/N2/8 (Regina Raczka) and 3/Z1/98 (Jozef Raczka) in a place for Catholics. I just wanted to find possible photos of the tombstones, if they still exist, but thanks for all the advice and recommendations.
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For information if needed.
Regina Raczka died 22 December 1977 - she left a will Probate Manchester 10 May 1978
maiden name Wrzesinska they married 1950 registered Bolton Lancashire
Josef Raczka died 27 April 1982 buried 4 May 1982 he also left a will, probate Manchester 9 August 1982
Both were of Ivy Road Bolton.
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Thanks for the advice, but unfortunately I can't find any information about the graves on the given page.
Find a Grave only has full listings for a very few of its cemeteries. Mostly, it relies on people creating memorial pages as they find the information or to make requests. Log in or create an account if necessary (it's free). Click on Add a Memorial on the cemetery main page, and you'll get a form to create an entry for Regina. Fill in what information you have and leave the rest blank. Repeat for Jozef. Don't panic; there's an Edit option for additions or corrections. Click on Request Photo on the left of each memorial. Then be patient -- it all depends on how many volunteers there in the area and how easy it is to find the grave; for example, some cemeteries are heavily overgrown and they only cut it down once a year in autumn (if ever). You'll get an e-mail when the photo is taken or if someone reports a serious problem.
I see that Regina and Jozef are buried in different graves. This means it's possible they are in so-called "common" of "public" graves each with several unrelated people and less likely to be marked, or if marked at all, with headstone(s) for only some of the people. In such cases, Find a Grave volunteers should take a photo of the area of bare grass or the unrelated headstone(s), though some give up.
If you have any queries about the process, ask here or send me a PM.
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Thank you for the thorough explanation of the rules of conduct on this site, I created tombstones, so I hope that something can be done this way. And how were the dead buried in mass graves? I didn't know it was possible, especially when the name of the deceased was known. What did it depend on?
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If the family could not afford to pay for a grave then they would be buried in a plot with other people.
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Hi, If it is of any help to you. I have been in touch with my sister who lives in Bolton. She is on the committee of Halliwell History Society, which is a local history group in Bolton, and is willing to visit Heaton Cemetery to look for the graves.
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Hello, I am very grateful for your response and willingness to help. I'd be delighted if your sister could find anything.
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Well done on your first attempt at creating Find a Grave memorials, Jacky. I didn't want to give you too many instructions on my first message, but here's how you can show them linked as husband and wife:
Take a note of the Memorial ID for Regina, 258224040. Go to Jozef's memorial, select Edit and scroll down the form to Family Members. Put that number in the Spouse box and the marriage year next to it. Click on Save and you'll see the link on each memorial -- you only have to add it on one of them.
Sadly, most of our ancestors went to "common" graves, often shared with 10, 20, or more other people. Some cemeteries where I take photographs each have nearly 1000 requests since someone uploaded all the names from the early registers recently. I can tell fom section numbers that most are in areas which are bare grass, or now woodland, or has been relandscaped for modern burials on top, making it hard to find the spot to photograph. Let's hope that isn't the case for Regina and Jozef.
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Thank you for explaining the situation in detail. I was surprised by this mass burial, because in my country there was never such a custom, the family was always buried together, but never several strangers were buried in mass graves. I will also deal with the marriage connection on the site. Thank you for your valuable tips and sincere help.
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Bolton Council
Burial Records
https://www.bolton.gov.uk/certificates-searches/burial-record
Regina's burial on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSNP-81P4
There is nothing on Deceased Online to indicate that anybody else is buried with her in the same grave.
If we take Alfred Joseph Melia on the same page on FS, buried 15 Dec, Deceased Online says there are two others in the grave.
Ditto Alan Fielding, 23 Dec, 5 others.
Also, Rachel Lean Margaret Hampson, the burial above Regina, same day, and various others on the page say PUBLIC in the grant column (Regina has a grant number, 19861)
There are 36 others in the same grave as Rachel, according to Deceased Online (is that really possible?)
Maybe Regina is just buried on her own in a non-public grave?
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Rather, according to family records, she was buried alone in a paid grave, but after so many years I don't know for sure if that was the case.
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That's the conclusion I have reached. Regina buried in a single plot grave.
Would there be a certain number of years it was purchased for? :-\
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Bolton Council
Burial Records
https://www.bolton.gov.uk/certificates-searches/burial-record
"If you have the grave number, deed or grant numbers, you can contact us to help locate the grave, or if you simply require more information about the plot.
There is a £5 charge per search."
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Unfortunately, I have no idea if the grave was paid for several decades.
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Hi Jacky, Good News! My sister Stefka, has been in touch. She has visited the graves in Heaton Cemetery. They are in the Catholic Section amongst other Polish graves. She has taken photographs and made a video of the surroundings. Have you any suggestions on how she can upload this information to you?
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Hello, thank you for your response, I am very grateful for your time and taking these photos. If it's not a problem, please send them to my email address. I will send you a PW message. Once again, thank you very much for your time and commitment. :)
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As I have reported the e-mail address to the moderators, who will remove it - not allowed on RootsChat to avoid spamming etc, I suggest that both of you exchange your e-mail addresses by private message. Good luck :-*
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Ok, thanks for information, I changed my answer.
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Great, and I hope that you will enjoy the photographs etc. Always good to get a result :)
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Hiya
I am looking for the burial information for my great-grandfather, James Thomas.
He was born January 11, 1942 in Longholme.
How would I get the detailed information for the following burial?
Burial date - 15 Aug 1911 Heaton Cemetery, Bolton, Lancashire
Died At: 25 Avenue St.
Age: 69 Yrs
Parish Removed From: Little Bolton
Occupation: Engineer
Place of Burial: Div.2 Sec.Y No.13
Unconsecrated Ground: Noncon
Grant No: 9375
Buried By: Jno. Howarth
Register: Burials 1911 - 1915, Page 25, Entry 33700
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Hi Aprile, I noticed your post mentioning Heaton Cemetery in Bolton. What sort of detailed burial information are you looking for regarding James Thomas?
Susan
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Hi Susan
I’m trying to find my great great grandfathers burial records and date of death. I came across this one and was hoping to get more info to see if this is him
Aprile
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Hi Aprile,
I have had a look at the 1911 Census and found James Thomas living at 25 Avenue Street, Bolton. Aged 69 married, Mechanic (Mill), Cotton Spinning, worker, place of birth Rawtenstall. His wife Rachel is aged 53, married for 25 years and place of birth Bury. Their son Samuel is aged 15, single, Apprentice Mill Mechanic, Cotton Spinning, place of birth Bolton. It looks as though this could be the one. I found a death registration for July - September 1911 for James Thomas (age 67) Bolton 8c 586. I initially contacted to offer assistance, my sister lives in Bolton and is willing to visit Heaton Cemetery.
Susan
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Thank you so much. I did see the 1911 census but, I am unsure if this is the same James Thomas. I was hoping to confirm the date of birth with the cemetery. My James Thomas was born January 11, 1842 in Longholme to a Mary Whitaker and Samuel Thomas.
I currently live in Ontario, Canada and have been back to England 3 years in a row and have had no success in locating him.
Thank you for you support.
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Burial image is on FamilySearch (free, need to be registered and logged in)
Details as transcribed elsewhere
James Thomas
Engineer
Age 69 yrs
Death occurred at 25 Avenue St
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-9965-DWYX
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According to the free index on Deceased Online there are three others buried in the grave.
Anyway, here's one of them
20 March 1929
Rachel Thomas
Widow
Age 70 yrs
Death occurred at Townley's Hospital
Place of Burial 2 / Y / 13
Number of Grant 9375
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8965-WDCV
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Thank you, this is helpful. Does it show the 3rd person buried in the grave?
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Hi
I guess it will have all four burials, but the free index doesn't say who or when they are. We would have to pay for that.
Unfortunately, it doesn't look as though FamilySearch have the grave registers (unless they are hidden in there somewhere!)
If you have someone particularly in mind they could be looked up in the burial registers.
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Hi Aprile, Things are moving fast! You may already have this information but I have been looking at two free internet sites. www.lan-opc.org.uk have a marriage for Samuel Thomas and Mary Whitaker on 3/12/1822 at St Peter, Burnley. Also on www.lancashirebmd.org there is a birth registration for James Thomas 1842 mother Whitaker Registers at Preston ROSS/3/40.
Susan
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Thank you, I have James Thomas's birth certificate. I can't seem to find his death certificate. He disappeared. He was married to my 3rd great-grandmother Maria Shepherd Pilling Thomas.
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Hi Aprile,
I don't know whether you have this information. I have been trying to track down your James Thomas. I have found Maria Thomas in the 1881 and 1891 census. In them she states that she is the Head of the family and married, which is unusual there is no sign of James. In 1881 her children are Herbert Pilling, Elizabeth Pilling, Thomas, Joseph Harold and Granville Shepherd. In 1891 she is with Herbert, Elizabeth, Thomas and Granville. In the 1901 census she the Head of the family and a widow. She has Thomas living with her. So if the information is correct it would appear that her husband James died between 1891 and 1901. I did wonder whether he had left her or perhaps was working away.
I tried to find information on James Thomas who died in Bolton in 1911. I could not find a marriage entry for James and Rachel, although I found a birth entry for a Samuel Thomas with the mother's name as Jones. What was interesting is that Samuel was the name of your James' father. I found a James Thomas in the 1871 census living in Haslingden with his wife Mary Jane. He was a cotton mill mechanic and his children were Ellen, Elizabeth and Richard. In 1881 there is no sign of his wife. He is the Head, married and down as a cotton mill manager. His children are Ellen, Richard and Fred Whittaker. I did wonder whether this James with the one living in Bolton. I found a marriage for Fred Whitaker Thomas to Mary Rothwell in Bury. Also an entry in the 1891 census for them in Bury. Fred was born in Rawtenstall and Mary in Ainsworth. Fred is a stationery mill engine driver. Richard Thomas is also married and in the 1891 Census with his wife Eliza living in Lorne St, Farnworth, Bolton. He is a steam engineer (tenter) cotton mill. It is possible that this James Thomas moved and worked in the Bolton Bury area as his wife Rachel was born in Bury.
If you don't mind me asking, where any of the children mentioned, your ancestors? It seems to throw up more questions.
Susan
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Hi Susan,
Yes, James Thomas was married to Mary Jane Spencer. She passed away in 1875 and he married my great great grandmother, Maria Shepherd Pilling Thomas. They had my great Grandfather, Granville Thomas. It is my understanding they were both widows when they married and the census has them at different addresses. I found Maria’s burial plot but am stuck on James. I have his birth records but can’t narrow down his burial. He was a mill mechanic at Laund Mill at one point. I was hoping Heston Cemetery might have his birth date.
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Hi Aprile,
I have been having a look at newspapers in the hope of finding reference to James Thomas. I came across a report of a funeral in The Ramsbottom Observer Friday September 13th 1901. The funeral was of Mr Thomas Thomas of St Annes-on-Sea formerly of Lound House, Rawtenstall. He had a long connection with the Longholme Wesleyan Chapel and Sunday School. He was interred on Wednesday 11th September 1901 in the Longholme Chapel Yard in the grave of his young son Thomas. Members of the funeral party were named, one of them being Mr James Thomas of Bolton his brother. It looks as though this may be James buried in Heaton Cemetery.
Susan
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That’s him. Thomas Thomas was his brother. He owned Laund Mill and James worked for him. They were born in Longholme. This is so exciting. Thank you
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Are you able to share the article? Is there one for James?
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Hi Aprile,
So far I have not been able to find anything in the newspapers on James Thomas. I am trying to fathom out how to let you see the funeral details of Thomas Thomas. I did find the marriage of Thomas in the The Preston Chronicle and Lancashire Advertiser 29th January 1859. "On the 19th at the Wesleyan Chapel Rawtenstall, Mr Thomas Thomas of Longholme, to Miss Hannah Whittaker of Full Barn." I also found the funeral notice of his wife in The Blackpool Herald and Fylde Advertiser Friday April 12th 1907. "...Interment of another St Anne's lady also took place at the Longholme Wesleyan Chapel Rawtenstall on Thursday last, the deceased being Mrs Alice Hannah Thomas of Albert Villa, St Anne's, relict of the late Mr Thomas Thomas formerly of Laund House, Rawtenstall. She had been ailing for sometime, and leaves two daughters Mrs G E Poskitt and Miss Thomas, to mourn her loss."
I had a look at the address for 25 Avenue St in 1901, James was not living there. It becomes more of a mystery.
Susan