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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: Spearmint on Tuesday 08 August 23 15:00 BST (UK)
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Hi. I’m looking for a marriage between Andrew Gillick and Mary Ann Morgan. They lived in Virginia, Cavan and had their first child in 1909. In the 1911 Irish census it said she was born in England.
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Doesn't appear to be a marriage on IrishGenealogy for the period 1907-1909.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
The 1911 census showed that they had been married 3 years.
Checked FreeBMD for England/Wales and ScotlandsPeople for Scotland - no marriage listed.
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Thanks so much for checking. I've had no luck on Mary Ann Morgan. There's quite a lot of them. Needle in a haystack. Any suggestions?
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Thanks so much for checking. I've had no luck on Mary Ann Morgan. There's quite a lot of them. Needle in a haystack. Any suggestions?
Have you tried FamilySearch?
https://www.familysearch.org/en/
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I wish I could say I haven't but I have...
I think her mother was staying with her during the 1911 census but I can glean little from that...
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In 1911, Mary Morgan is described as single.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Virginia/Virginia/350336/
There is this family group in 1901 with a niece Mary Anne, of the right age but she is b Cavan.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Virginia/Cornaslieve/1052838/
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So Andrew's parents were Patrick Gillick and Frances Daly?
I can see his sister Jane's marriage certificate - her son, Andrew Daly, appears with Andrew and Mary on the 1911 census - but I also cannot see Andrew and Mary's :-\
Queenie :)
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Thanks Queenie.
Yes I believe Andrew Daly is her nephew.
His mother was Jane Gillick. But I fear they had a tough life, that's why they were living in Cavan with their Grandmother.
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Just in case - the death of James Morgan 1904 with informant, Mary Anne Morgan, granddaughter. (As 1901 census).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05626/4582784.pdf
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Thank you Heywood; duly done.
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Yes I believe Andrew Daly is her nephew.
His mother was Jane Gillick.
Andrew James Daly born 28 April 1896 Rathmines, Dublin.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02173/1823131.pdf
As Queenie had found, his parents marriage - 1 May 1887 @ Rathgar RC Church.
Hubert DALY and Jane GILLICK
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10803/5939827.pdf
Andrew Daly in 1901 census with his brother? Hugh
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Virginia/Virginia_Rural/1053015/
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Thanks Kiltaglassan.
I think he’s a bit of a “ghost” ie, someone who deliberatley didnt want to be found (for whatever reason). I’ve looked at many A. Daly’s but this one may fit.
He ended up in Manchester where he got married in 1932 (father was called Hugh on the Marriage certificate) and settled for the rest of his life.
I don’t know his real place of birth or date of birth… so I start from scratch with each one until a fact or death eliminates them from my list.
There’s a family story that two sisters showed up at his house in the 1950s and he sent them away with a flea in their ear. Now this Andrew Daly does not have two sisters but he does have female Gillick cousins who he grew up with in Virgina, Cavan
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There is an Andrew Daly who married Gladys Kempster in 1932, South Manchester, but that doesn’t look likely according to a published tree and the date of birth in 1939.
The one KG has referenced fits with family members etc.
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In 1911, Mary Morgan is described as single.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Virginia/Virginia/350336/
There is this family group in 1901 with a niece Mary Anne, of the right age but she is b Cavan.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Virginia/Cornaslieve/1052838/
Possible death here:
Mary Morgan, 70 yrs, Broomfield
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1914/05310/4477136.pdf
If this is the same Mary Morgan, she is 44 yrs in 1901; 62 yrs in 1911 when she is with your family and 72 yrs in 1914.
The difference in ages is not unusual.
I have been looking for ‘Broomfield’ and by finding other deaths etc, it seems to be Virginia Rural in 1901 census and just Virginia in 1911.
The death of Fanny Gillick in 1901 here with Daly visitors shows her residence as Broomfield.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Virginia/Virginia_Rural/1053015/
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I have been looking for ‘Broomfield’ and by finding other deaths etc, it seems to be Virginia Rural in 1901 census and just Virginia in 1911.
The death of Fanny Gillick in 1901 here with Daly visitors shows her residence as Broomfield.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Virginia/Virginia_Rural/1053015/
Indeed heywood, Fanny Gillick died in 1907 at Broomfield.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05538/4552677.pdf
There's a Broomfield Close out the Cavan Road from Virginia town, but nothing on any historical maps. At the northern end of Cavan Road cul-de-sac. About 1km from the centre of town.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01skr/
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In Virginia townland this might be Broomfield on the Cavan Road.
https://www.townlands.ie/cavan/castlerahan/lurgan/virginia/virgina/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4626641#map=17/53.84071/-7.09238
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Thanks so much for your help. The Andrew Daly I’m researching is indeed the one who lived in Cheadle, Cheshire, and died in the 1970s. He gave different ages 1902 and 1905 as years of birth. So I’m clutching at staws.
It seems he cut himself off from his family. I was working on the theory that he came to Manchester and stayed/followed another family member. Hence why I was interested in Mary Anne Morgan and if she had any connection with the North West of England.
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I haven't as yet found a birth registration for his brother Hugh Daly who was also present with his Grandmother in the 1901 census in Virginia rural.
He may have not been a brother but a cousin after all his grandmother’s maiden name was Daly.
Any suggestions?
Regards Spearmint
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May I just ask, do you know that your Andrew Daly from Cheadle is from the Daly/Gillick family? Do you have other records for this?
The birth in Dublin is Andrew James. Did your Andrew also have this second name?
Do you have a date of birth for your Andrew?
Was there an occupation for his father, Hugh, on Andrew’s marriage certificate?
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In short, Heywood, no I don’t know he is the Daly from the Daly/Gillick family.
As far as I know the second name James was not used.
The Cheadle Andrew Daly in the 1939 register his DOB is 7/05/1902.
In his death registration it says 7/5/1905.
On his marriage certificate it say his father was Hugh Daly occupation farmer.
He left Ireland age 16/18 and never returned.
And this is all I have to go on…
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Thank you.
I was puzzled as the ages were out from the birth and census.
We have had this before but here is the Daly/Gillick birth.
28th April 1896 - so the day/month is close but not the year.
Hugh is a labourer and not a farmer. :-\
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02173/1823131.pdf
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I did mention a published tree earlier but I don’t think that is right either.
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Does that tree say he's from Bray?
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No - they seem to think he is this one in Westmeath
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Westmeath/Knockdrin/Quarry/885329/
This might be that birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01771/1696887.pdf
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Have you checked electoral registers for the address he gave on marriage?
Was the marriage a Catholic one? I see it says Registry or Registrar attended?
If it was Catholic, there may be annotations on the parish record.
Do the witness names help?
Does he give an age on marriage or is it just ‘full age?’
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Hi Heywood.
Checked the electoral roll (1931) for the address he gave on marriage cert. The house number is not listed.
Registry office marriage.
He gave his age as 26 in 1932 (1906)
The witnesses names provided no help either.
Regards Spearmint
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That’s a pity. Which area of Manchester was he in?
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When he got married it was: Palatine Road, Northenden