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Title: help needed please
Post by: craizi daizi on Friday 04 August 23 08:37 BST (UK)
hello i am hoping for some help please i have a marriage document, that is also on ancestry   of 
 sarah lonsdale and joseph taylor from leeds   both aged 25  marriage 1825,  was looking for parents or family to either of them please thanks in advance     daizi
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: ColC on Friday 04 August 23 10:23 BST (UK)
Joseph Taylor
Groom
Marriage 6 January 1825
Leeds St Peter, Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Spouse Sarah Lonsdale

It looks like Banns were also read here.

Joseph Taylor
Groom
England, Yorkshire Marriage Bonds and Allegations, 1613-1887
Marriage 5 January 1825
York, Yorkshire, England
Birth 1800 
Spouse Sarah Lonsdale

Do you if they had any children, if where?

Colin
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: craizi daizi on Friday 04 August 23 10:32 BST (UK)
yes colc they did have children and the children ended up in austrailia     one of the children is my gr grandfather andrew john lonsdale taylor   born 1856 in hooten hall it says
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 04 August 23 10:51 BST (UK)
The marriage register has Joseph Taylor of Newington in the Parish of Milsom, Brewer and Sarah Lonsdale, spinster of this parish Leeds, St Peter
Witnesses James Lonsdale and Hy? Remington

The marriage licence index has both aged 25, Joseph's residence Newington, Nottinghamshire, Sarah of Leeds, Yorkshire.
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: ColC on Friday 04 August 23 11:21 BST (UK)
This is the only birth registration I can find, so did Joseph remarry?

TAYLOR, ANDREW  JOHN LONSDALE  mother NEWBY 
GRO Reference: 1856  S Quarter in ROTHERHAM  Volume 09C  Page 403

Colin


Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 04 August 23 11:25 BST (UK)
FindMypast has the baptism (transcript only) of
Andrew John Lonsdale Taylor, 17 Jun 1856, Maltby (Rotherham) parents John and Charlotte.

The 1861 Census for Andrew shows father John, age 36, as Brewer/Maltster, born Newington, Nottinghamshire, Charlotte, age 29, born Doncaster.

 
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: ColC on Friday 04 August 23 11:31 BST (UK)
I think we have a problem?

1861 Newington, Bawtry, Yorkshire, West Riding

TAYLOR   John   Head   M   M   34   Brewer & Malster   Nottinghamshire   Newington      
TAYLOR   Charlotte   Wife   M   F   29   Wife To Brewer & Malster   Yorkshire   Doncaster      
TAYLOR   Andrew   Son   -   M   5   Scholar   Yorkshire   Hooton Levett      
TAYLOR   Charlotte   Dau   -   F   2      Nottinghamshire   Newington      
TAYLOR   Helena   Dau   -   F   1      Nottinghamshire   Newington      
COOKE   Eliza   Servnt   U   F   20   Cook   Nottinghamshire   Lound      
CROFTS   Eliza   Servnt   U   F   25   Nurse   Yorkshire   Bawtry      
CROFTS   Martha   Servnt   U   F   18   Housemaid   Yorkshire   Bawtry

Colin
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: ColC on Friday 04 August 23 11:38 BST (UK)
John Taylor married Charlotte Newby, St George Hanover Square, London 

Dec 1854 – 1a page 346

Colin
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 04 August 23 11:46 BST (UK)
I haven't checked but I suspect John is the son of Joseph and Sarah, married 1825.
Mix up of generations.
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: ColC on Friday 04 August 23 11:54 BST (UK)
I haven't checked but I suspect John is the son of Joseph and Sarah, married 1825.
Mix up of generations.

I would agree.

For information:  Newington lies just east of the South Yorkshire border. Newington falls within the district council of Bassetlaw, under the county council of Nottinghamshire. It is 7 miles from Doncaster.

Colin
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: ColC on Friday 04 August 23 11:57 BST (UK)
John Taylor   Baptism 17 August 1828 - Fenton or Kirk Fenton, Yorkshire Parents Joseph, Sarah.

Colin
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 04 August 23 11:57 BST (UK)
Ancestry have the image of the 1854 marriage at St George, Hanover Square, by Licence.

John Taylor, f.a., Esquire of Maltby.  Father is Joseph, Esquire.
Charlotte Newby, f.a., of Hanover Street.  Father is George, Esquire
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: ColC on Friday 04 August 23 12:04 BST (UK)
This looks like the family in 1841.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQP2-Q7C

Colin
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: hanes teulu on Friday 04 August 23 13:35 BST (UK)
FindMyPast baptism (transcript/image)

Joseph, born 1 March 1801, bap 29 March 1801, father John Taylor, cordwainer, mother Mary Carmichel/Carmickel.
Transcript has "baptism place - Doncaster, St. George", "County- Yorkshire (West Riding)"
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: ColC on Friday 04 August 23 15:41 BST (UK)
I do not think that the 1841 census I posted earlier is correct two children were born before 1825, plus a Joseph Taylor married Sarah Westwood 25 October 1819
Yorkshire, England. Westwood was the name of their youngest child.

Also the 1828 baptism of John might be suspect?

The 1841/1851 census records would be helpful.

Colin 
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: ColC on Saturday 05 August 23 11:11 BST (UK)
I have now found the 1851 census for the family on the 1841, which I posted earlier, I think it confirms that this is not the correct family of Joseph Taylor and Sarah Lonsdale

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPMW-MG5

Susanna & Faith both possible servants in Yorkshire, others elsewhere.

Age 5 in 1841
TAYLOR, GEORGE       16 
GRO Reference: 1851  M Quarter in TADCASTER  Volume 23  Page 525

Age 4 in 1841
TAYLOR, WESTWOOD       14 
GRO Reference: 1851  M Quarter in TADCASTER  Volume 23  Page 525


I think the John & Charlotte marriage in 1854 is correct but he is not the John on the above census, wrong occupation.

Colin
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 05 August 23 11:33 BST (UK)
FindMyPast has the baptism (transcript only) of
John Taylor, bap  13 May 1826, abode Newington, baptismal place Misson, parents Joseph and Sarah, father's occp'n "Malser" (as transcribed) which I think should be "Maltster". This would fit the occp'n of "Brewer" on the marriage register.
I originally posted "Parish of Milson" - the original has the long "s" - therefore, should have posted  "Misson"!
Title: Re: help needed please
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 05 August 23 11:37 BST (UK)
FindMyPast baptisms (transcripts only)

Parents Joseph and Sarah Taylor, father's occp'n Malser (sic) and Brewer, abode Newington, baptismal place Misson -
Joseph 17 Jun 1827, James 21 Aug 1828, Emily Mary 30 Oct 1829, Caroline 13 Nov 1830.