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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: IgorStrav on Wednesday 02 August 23 21:27 BST (UK)
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Hi all
I have just been following up the family of my greatx3 grandmother Mary Ann (Clifton) Miller in terms of her siblings and their offspring.
I've known for many years that Mary Ann and her husband James and a number of her children (though not my gx2 grandmother) emigrated to NZ in the 1870's at some point, and tracked down a fascinating family story where two of my great uncles, in the Merchant Navy, visited 'their mother's aunt' in New Zealand in the 1930's. I was helped by some NZ Ancestry contacts to track down some of the details.
However, in my extended family researches I've been astonished to find that several of Mary Ann Clifton's siblings' families also made their way to NZ - or at least Ancestry 'hints' (yes I know), and other people's trees suggest they did.
I don't suppose there are any passenger lists which will help me find when they all left the UK, are there? Or should I just look for first appearance on electoral rolls to try and pin it down?
Thank you for any suggestions
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https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792
These used to be much easier to search than they are now, but I for one have not figured out how to limit the dates or even how to sort the results into date order.
There are passenger lists on Ancestry too.
Check also for newspaper mentions
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
When they died, if they left a will, might be here
https://collections.archives.govt.nz/en-GB/web/arena#/
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Aha, thanks mckha489, that's great. I'm working with both FindMyPast and Ancestry but hadn't got to FamilySearch yet.
I've found records so far, but as the names aren't particularly distinctive (and I really don't know NZ geography), I'm finding it difficult to confirm if they are the correct one.
However, one of the names is Kipps Baldwin, so I think I'll pin him down first, see where he gets to and look it up on a map, and then try and patch in his siblings round him!
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Kipps Baldwin. Showing in Patea newspapers 1883-1889 This is in Southern Taranaki.
His father is mentioned.
Kipps was a bit accident prone!
Died 1932 age 66
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Kipps was a butcher for some years and then suddenly started appearing as a labourer, and I must admit I'd just been thinking whether some accident had happened....
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Was Reuben Baldwin also a name?
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Reuben was Kipps' father.
Other siblings were Rosa who married I believe Thomas Carman, Ellen who married I believe James Johnston, Ada who married William Frederick Frampton, and Kate who married William Buckland.
I was wanting to check the marriages, as they come from other Ancestry trees, and I would like to have other confirmation - irritatingly the sources are simply to New Zealand as a location, with no other geographical detail.
Still to follow through on electoral rolls for them to see if they're in the same region.
Just got the free subscription to the newspapers and enjoying Kipps' adventures! He seems to have been a bit of a one. ;D
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Was Reuben Baldwin also a name?
Hmm. He seems to have been a hard taskmaster/"wardsman" at the Jubilee Home.... and his daughter (not sure which one) a matron.
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Ellen was the matron. She married later to an inspector of health.
I’ll leave you to the papers , proving very fruitful.
But I do want to know if there really was a connection to Stanley Baldwin, or did they just like to say there was?
Presume you know about NZ BDM site?
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dDeathSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults
Also the WW1 file for Reuben junior should be on Ancestry or if not, Archives link I gave you earlier
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Yes, it's all unfolding now. Thank you for the signposting, really helpful.
My connection is via the Clifton side (Reuben's wife was my 1st cousin 4x removed, Eleanor/Ellen Clifton), so I've not investigated a Stanley Baldwin relationship.
Given Reuben seems to have been born in Ightham, Kent (near Seal and Sevenoaks) from a family of Agricultural Labourers, I would think a connection with Stanley Baldwin was unlikely.
But who knows, back in the mists of time....... ;) ;)
My Miller/Clifton family were right at the other end of NZ, so to speak, in Invercargill, but a snippet of newspaper report from them quotes how respectfully they were treated in NZ (as opposed to being Ag Labs in Kent in the late 19th century dealing with the English gentry presumably), so I am very sympathetic with people ensuring they weren't going to be 'looked down on' as they'd previously been, by asserting a connection with an important politician.
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It is interesting that Reuben arrived 1879 aiming for Otago, so he must have been planning to join the Invercargill lot. And yet he is very soon in Patea. There was time for George & family who travel the following year (1880) to be able to say they are going to him at Patea. So letters back and forth minimum of 6 weeks each way…
These little mysteries make life interesting.
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Have you seen the NZ Ancestor helper?
https://ash.howison.co.nz/?name=reuben+baldwin
This search tool is designed to assist with NZ-focused genealogical research, by collating results from NZ DIA's Births, Deaths and Marriages, Archives NZ, dozens of council cemetery websites, military records from Auckland Museum Online Cenotaph and many other online history resources.
If that's the Reuben BALDWIN who was on the Stadt Haarlem in 1879, he was travelling with my SMALL ancestors from Kent.
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Hi Kinnigit,
That's a resource I've not come across. Thanks for posting the link.
I'd like to add it to NZ Resources & Offers if that's ok with you?
Regards,
Spades
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Yes please share this great resource. It lets you narrow down exact dates in the NZBDM with a single click and is a nicer way to search Archway.
That's a resource I've not come across. Thanks for posting the link.
I'd like to add it to NZ Resources & Offers if that's ok with you?
Regards,
Spades
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Thank Kinnigit :)
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I've just found one of my missing ancestors on it. Brilliant! ;D ;D
Thanks again.
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Many thanks indeed for all the helpful replies and pointers.
Look forward to following it all up later today. I know the Invercargill family kept in touch with my gx2 grandmother back here in Kent, so keen to see what else I can find.
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Maybe make contact with this researcher?
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baldwin-5391
Minniehaha.
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Maybe make contact with this researcher?
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baldwin-5391
Excellent! Thank you!
Minniehaha.
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Maybe make contact with this researcher?
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Baldwin-5391
Minniehaha.
Exvellent! Thank you!
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Have you seen the NZ Ancestor helper?
https://ash.howison.co.nz/?name=reuben+baldwin
This search tool is designed to assist with NZ-focused genealogical research, by collating results from NZ DIA's Births, Deaths and Marriages, Archives NZ, dozens of council cemetery websites, military records from Auckland Museum Online Cenotaph and many other online history resources.
If that's the Reuben BALDWIN who was on the Stadt Haarlem in 1879, he was travelling with my SMALL ancestors from Kent.
I started following this thread hoping for some tips and you have certainly helped find my husband’s grandfather cousin! She was a brick wall for years, but having looked again and found a possible marriage, I realised I had forgotten to note her middle name. Everything has now started to fall into place.
Thank you for adding such a helpful tool!