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Title: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Wednesday 26 July 23 17:23 BST (UK)
I am trying to find information about ZENAS EDMANDS who was a tanner and deceased in 1903 according to the marriage record of his son FREDERICK JAMES EDMANDS (born 06/05/1879 in Leicester) to Nellie Sells (born 1884 in Nottingham)

Frederick moved to Bradford and died in 1952 and was in the West Riding Regiment, enlisting on 11/12/1915 having served overseas.  Badge number 241491. In two of the records he was Edmunds and discharged because of sickness.  I have not found an enlistment which might have given more of his family details

I have tried all sorts of permutations of Edmands including Ed* but drawn a blank and wonder if anyone has any other thoughts
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: PaulineJ on Wednesday 26 July 23 17:57 BST (UK)
what about the 1881 census entry in leicester, father shown as Joseph?

What information is on the 1879birth certificate?

What record(s) have given his birthplace? I'm unable to tally it up.
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Wednesday 26 July 23 18:16 BST (UK)
Thanks for the suggestion Pauline

I only know of the marriage certificate of Frederick James who married in 1903 which showed Zenas as his father and deceased.

I will pursue further. Many thanks
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: PaulineJ on Wednesday 26 July 23 18:24 BST (UK)
Try another tack, what names witnessed, what was
groom's occupation and residence at the time?
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Wednesday 26 July 23 18:28 BST (UK)
Thanks Pauline
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 26 July 23 18:33 BST (UK)
There is no  birth 1878-1880 in Leics for Frederick on freebmd & no marriage for a Zenas Edm*
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Wednesday 26 July 23 18:44 BST (UK)
That is part of the mystery Carole but on 1921 Census and 1939 Register
1939 Register
10 Ann Place Flats, Bradford, Bradford C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding)
First name(s)   Last name(s)   Birth date   Sex   Occupation   Marital status   Schedule   Frederick J   Edmands   06 May 1879   Male   Wood Machinist   Married      

Frederick James Edmonds in 1921
1921 Census Of England & Wales
19, Foundry Street, Bradford, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Frederick James   Edmonds   Head   Male   1879 Leicester, LeicestershireCase Maker   Goddall Hatton Ltd J Smith & Sons Ltd
George Frederick   Edmonds   Son   Male   1905      Bradford   Doffer Spinning   

Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 26 July 23 18:50 BST (UK)
They also had a son Harold Edward b 1908 Bradford died 1976 Keighley
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Wednesday 26 July 23 18:52 BST (UK)
Yes, found all that, but need to look at the mystery of Zenas!
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Wednesday 26 July 23 18:55 BST (UK)
In cases like these, where someone's past seems shrouded in mystery, I often find that there is illegitimacy involved, so Frederick may not have even been registered under Edm?nds. Similarly, his father may not have actually been Zenas, although it would be an odd one to make up. Having said that, I have seen illegitimate children/women who have had illegitimate children come up with some really interesting names on certificates.

Queenie  :)
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Wednesday 26 July 23 18:56 BST (UK)
Just investigation Joseph and family to see if I can link them, but thanks Queenie for the thoughts
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Thursday 27 July 23 09:43 BST (UK)
Ecoh,  Trying to build a picture of the family. I take it that Nelly/Nellie & Frederick went their own ways after the birth of Harold in 1908 as by 1911 she is living with an Albert Edward Saper and by sq 1910 had a son with him as below

RAPER, THOMAS  ALBERT RAPER    mmn  SELLS 
GRO Reference: 1910  S Quarter in BRADFORD  Volume 09B  Page 100

John
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Thursday 27 July 23 17:09 BST (UK)
Thanks John
Nellie Sells
    Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
   RAPER, THOMAS  ALBERT RAPER    SELLS 

In the 1911 Census she is housekeeper to Albert Edward Raper who is head of the household and with them are her 4 children George, Doris, Harold, Thomas all named Edmonds (perhaps for respectability
I can’t fine Frederick James in the 1911 Census (yet)

In 1921 Frederick James - the husband of Nellie is living with his son George Frederick
And in the1921 census she is living with her daughter Doris (which says father dead) but Nellie her mother is married

Where was Frederick James in 1911, but equally important is his father Zenas who does not seem to exist and with out the birth details for Frederick J we can’t get a birth certificate easily. Sheila
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Thursday 27 July 23 18:49 BST (UK)
Fred Edmands was age 32 and the head of the household when they appeared in the 1911 UK Census on 2 Apr 1911 at Back Hallfield Place in Bradford He was with Violet White -both married and her two Children
He was a painter and born in Coventry - onward and upward!
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Friday 28 July 23 13:44 BST (UK)
Fred Edmands was age 32 and the head of the household when they appeared in the 1911 UK Census on 2 Apr 1911 at Back Hallfield Place in Bradford He was with Violet White -both married and her two Children
He was a painter and born in Coventry - onward and upward!

Whilst I agree with this being your Fred/Frederick in 1911, the Annie and 2 children is not Violet.

Annie Elizabeth Harvey married an Ernest White in sq 1899. They had 2 daughters Mary Ellen 1901 & Ruth Lillian in 1904.

By 1921 census Annie & her 2 daughters are back in Nottingham living in the household of an Alfred Newsome.

****************

Violey Emilee/Emily Chapman born 1876 Bradford married Frederick William Smith jq 1898. They appear together in 1901/1911 census (no children).

Violet E Smith died aged 82 in Bradford in 1958

John
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Friday 28 July 23 16:17 BST (UK)
Yes absolutely John, but still no nearer to Zenas!  Sheila
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Saturday 29 July 23 09:18 BST (UK)
I cannot myself make any break through re Zenas. Wish you well in your research.

John
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 29 July 23 10:01 BST (UK)
Have you looked at Fred Sheen, born circa May 1879, son of Zenas & Eliza Sheen?

Zenas Sheen was a currier ( tanning industry) in Leicester.
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Saturday 29 July 23 10:02 BST (UK)
Thanks to all, definitely going to look at Fred Sheen as Zenas was a tanner! Sheila
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Saturday 29 July 23 10:18 BST (UK)
Fred Sheen was baptised 12th Jan 1881 aged at the time 18 months parents Zenas/Eliza, abode 7, Dover Square, occ of Zenas "Currier"

John

amended baptism date.
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Saturday 29 July 23 10:22 BST (UK)
Also a Willy Sheen baptised 12 January 1881 parents and abode and occ same as Fred.

John

Births Dec 1880   
SHEEN    Willie        Leicester    7a   
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 29 July 23 10:25 BST (UK)
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Fred Sheen was baptised 12th Jan 1871

1881 !
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 29 July 23 10:27 BST (UK)
Zenas, Eliza, Fred and Willie Sheen are at 7 Dover Square, Leicester, in the 1881 census. Fred shown as born in London.
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 29 July 23 10:50 BST (UK)
In 1891 Fred Sheen (aged 11, born Leicester) is with his half-sister Elizabeth and her husband Ewbank Cade.
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 29 July 23 11:24 BST (UK)
Zenas Sheen's second wife Eliza died in 1890. He is in the workhouse in 1891, occupation fellmonger (dealer in hides and skins). 

He's still in the workhouse in 1901 - fellmonger seems to have been mistranscribed by the enumerator as fishmonger. He dies in 1902.

Where is Fred in 1901?
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Saturday 29 July 23 12:17 BST (UK)
Ewbank Cade was an employed shoe maker. One of the shoe manufacturers in Leicester at that time was a George Edmands...I wonder if Ewbank worked at the Edmands factory.
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Saturday 29 July 23 14:43 BST (UK)
ShaunJ, I think you are onto the right family. If I'm on the right lines then Zenas 1st married Sarah Stephenson sq 1860 in Melton Mowbray and appear together in 1861 census. By 1871 census Zenas is recorded as James aged 40 and occupation Currier. Sarah dies aged 38 in 1876.

Zenas remarries Elizabeth Sheen sq 1878.

Zenas Sheens birth is c 1831 according to census.

Cannot view original image but a transcript on FindMyPast records a baptism/birth of a TENES Sheen male 1828 Birth place Independent,Narborough,Leicester,England Parents Benjamin Hill & Ann Hill.

John
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Saturday 29 July 23 14:51 BST (UK)
1841 census

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQYK-R37

1851 census

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGFQ-1WR


John
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Saturday 29 July 23 17:21 BST (UK)
Fred Sheen's brother Willie/Willy recorded in 1891 as Thomas William Sheen. In 1901 reverts to William Sheen

He marries as Thomas William Sheen 1st January 1906 to Annie Ward, recording his father as Zenas Sheen deceased. On 1911/21 census as Thomas William Sheen and 1939 register as William.

John
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 29 July 23 21:25 BST (UK)
I'm wondering if Zenas married his widowed sister in law?

1881 - Eliza Sheen b Whetstone c1844

1871 - Eliza Sheen b Whetstone c1851 is married to an Amos Sheen b Cosby c 1843

Marriage appears to b 1870 - Amos Sheen and Eliza Haines. There's an ELiza Haines b Whetstone c1844

1851 - Amos b c1843 in Cosby has older brother Zenas
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 29 July 23 21:26 BST (UK)
Still doesn;t explain the Edmonds surname!
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Annie65115 on Saturday 29 July 23 22:11 BST (UK)
Burials at Welford Road cemetery, plot uQ 1756 (all addresses bar the workhouse were in St Margaret ward)

SHEEN   BENJAMIN ALBERT   1866   DEC   9   17MTHS   NEW PARLIAMENT STREET   
SHEEN   HARRIET   1868   OCT   3   5MTHS   BELGRAVE GATE   
SHEEN   CLARA ANNIE   1869   SEP   3   1MTH   PARLIAMENT STREET   
SHEEN   CLARA   1873   JUL   30   5WKS   NEW PARLIAMENT STREET   
SHEEN   FREDERICK CHARLES   1875   JUN   10   4   LITTLE THAMES STREET   
SHEEN   SARAH   1876   MAR   8   38   LITTLE THAMES STREET   
SHEEN   ZENAS   1902   SEP   27   73   THE WORKHOUSE   LEICESTER   
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Annie65115 on Saturday 29 July 23 22:16 BST (UK)
Obit in the Leicester Chronicle, 21 June 1890

"On the 16 inst, at 8, Halls Cottages, Navigation St, Eliza, wife of Mr Zenas Sheen, aged 43"
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Annie65115 on Saturday 29 July 23 22:19 BST (UK)
Eliza's grave, plot uP 452 at Welford Rd:

MOORE   JOHN GEORGE   1860   MAY   17   2WKS   DUKE STREET   SAINT MARY   
SHEEN   ALBERT   1882   OCT   28   5WKS   NAVIGATION STREET   SAINT MARGARET   
SHEEN   BEN   1888   JUN   20   1MTH   NAVIGATION STREET   SAINT MARGARET   
SHEEN   ELIZA   1890   JUN   19   43   NAVIGATION STREET   SAINT MARGARET   
LEIGH   HERBERT HENRY   1912   APR   13   51   GENERAL INFIRMARY   LEICESTER   
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Saturday 29 July 23 22:20 BST (UK)
I love this website!  It is so exciting getting suggestions.

In another family I searched, the couple moved from the Midlands to Scarborough and their surname changed on the way.  The friend I did worked with surmised that maybe there was debt, they were escaping something etc.

Maybe the son of Zenas who arrived in Bradford via Nottingham where he got married, changed his name at the time he met and married Nellie.  Perhaps because his father was in the workhouse

I did find the Leicester Chronicle obit
Many thanks to all. Sheila
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Annie65115 on Saturday 29 July 23 22:26 BST (UK)
There were several Sheen admissions to the workhouse.

8 Aug 1890; Frederick Sheen, age 11, and William Sheen, age 9, sons of Zenas. Zenas, age 60, was admitted with them. I guess the family couldn't manage without mum.

Zenas then has the following admissions; mistranscribed on 2 occasions as Lenas or Zenns, but all say "transferred (or returned) from Thurnby"
14 Sept 1895
24 aug 1896
17 Jul 1897
5 Aug 1898
14 Oct 1899

Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Annie65115 on Saturday 29 July 23 22:31 BST (UK)
Leic Cottage Homes was where the workhouse children were sent from the 1880s onwards.

22 Aug 1890; William Sheen age 9, and Albert Sheen age 4, were admitted from the workhouse to the cottage homes. Their religion was given as "chapel" (as was the case on the workhouse admission, although Zenas's subsequent admissions were "CofE".

They spent the rest of their childhood there.

William was discharged on 31 Jan 1896 to Mr Gunby, farmer, Cosby. (William was with the Gunby family in 1901, a farm servant).
Albert was discharged on 19 Oct 1901 to an unnamed aunt in Blaby.

I'll look for more workhouse details for Zenas and Frederick now.
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Annie65115 on Saturday 29 July 23 22:35 BST (UK)
OK, this is a bit cconfusing because Frederick was transferred to the cottage homes on the same date as William and Albert, but I can't see his admission there, nor Albert's admission to the workhouse. I don't think they're the same child with the wrong name, as the ages are different.

Zenas's discharge dates, to match up to the admission ones:

7 Sept 1895
17 Oct 1896
10 July 1897
29 Oct 1898
7 Oct 1899
-- all the above except 1897 were "to Thurnby by invitation of Mr Cooper".
23 sept 1902 - deceased


Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Annie65115 on Saturday 29 July 23 22:40 BST (UK)
Zenas's occupation on his workhouse admissions in 1890, 95 and 96 has been transcribed as "farmer". Initially I assumed this was a mistranscription, but perhaps he actually worked on a farm with or for Mr Cooper at Thurnby.
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Annie65115 on Saturday 29 July 23 22:49 BST (UK)
ShaunJ, I think you are onto the right family. If I'm on the right lines then Zenas 1st married Sarah Stephenson sq 1860 in Melton Mowbray and appear together in 1861 census. By 1871 census Zenas is recorded as James aged 40 and occupation Currier. Sarah dies aged 38 in 1876.

Zenas remarries Elizabeth Sheen sq 1878.

Zenas Sheens birth is c 1831 according to census.

Cannot view original image but a transcript on FindMyPast records a baptism/birth of a TENES Sheen male 1828 Birth place Independent,Narborough,Leicester,England Parents Benjamin Hill & Ann Hill.

John

The Leic FHS noncon CD gives several Sheen baptisms, but no Zenas or indeed Tenes. The closest I can see is James, bapt 12 July 1829 at the Presby/independent chapel at Narborough; abode Littlethorpe. Parents Benjamin and Ann (nee Hill, father John Hill) as per post above.

There were several other children to these parents and I can give details if wanted.
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 29 July 23 23:56 BST (UK)

Cannot view original image but a transcript on FindMyPast records a baptism/birth of a TENES Sheen male 1828 Birth place Independent,Narborough,Leicester,England Parents Benjamin Hill & Ann Hill.

John

The original looks like Zenes to me, 18 May 1828.  Cannot post images on this board, they are on Ancestry.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 29 July 23 23:58 BST (UK)
Duh, yes I can.

https://postimg.cc/jncjb5LS

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 30 July 23 10:26 BST (UK)
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Try another tack, what names witnessed, what was
groom's occupation and residence at the time?

Was this one (re Fred's 1903 marriage record) answered?
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Sunday 30 July 23 11:04 BST (UK)
Zenas a tanner deceased was on the marriage certificate of  Frederick James Edmands who was born in 1879 and married Nellie Sells in Nottingham in 1903. They moved to Bradford, but I do not know the witness names
Volume 7B
Marriage quarter 4
Volume as transcribed 7B
Marriage year 1903
Page number 589

As for the Zenas Sheen marriages Find My Past does not give that detail unless its a parish marriage
Sheila
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 30 July 23 11:18 BST (UK)
I've found the 1903 marriage record now. He was a Door Keeper of Mount Street, Nottingham. Witnesses Arthur Lake and Gertrude Sells.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/241898835:61840
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 30 July 23 11:23 BST (UK)
There was more than one Arthur Lake in Nottingham but looking at the signatures on the 1911 census, this one would appear to be a window cleaner whose wife Florence and two of his children (Percy circa 1896 and Kate circa 1898) were all born in Leicester. Married circa 1892/3.
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 30 July 23 13:34 BST (UK)
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Still doesn;t explain the Edmonds surname!

Edmands.

If, as seems likely, Fred Sheen moved away from Leicester and changed his name to Edmands, it was presumably because he was running away from something and didn't want to be found. Was he running from the police perhaps?

There was a police sergeant in Leicester by the name of Charles Edmands - perhaps he borrowed the policeman's name?
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 30 July 23 13:49 BST (UK)
A bit more about Arthur - he was a bill poster (inspector?) at the Theatre Royal in Leicester in 1891 and then a bill poster in Nottingham in 1901 where he was living quite close to the Nottingham Theatre Royal.  Perhaps that is how they met if Frederick was a door keeper.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Sunday 30 July 23 13:52 BST (UK)
I think that is is a very likely hypothesis!
Ewbank Cade appeared in the newspapers a lot for D&D
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 30 July 23 15:05 BST (UK)
Wildcard   ;D

Can anyone find this man before or after 1901 census. 

Fred   Le Burns   Boarder   Single   Male   24   1877   Doorman   Southampton, Hampshire, England

Piece number 262
Folio 95
Page 22

Full address Circus, 5, St Botolph Without Aldgate, City of London, London & Middlesex, England

John




Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 30 July 23 15:41 BST (UK)
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Can anyone find this man before or after 1901 census.

Fred   Le Burns   Boarder   Single   Male   24   1877   Doorman   Southampton, Hampshire, England

Looks more like Fred L Burns.

Probably the Frederick Burns from Southampton in the 1911 and 1921 censuses in Stonebridge Park, Willesden (a hotel porter, and then a barman). 
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Annie65115 on Sunday 30 July 23 18:15 BST (UK)
Leic Cottage Homes was where the workhouse children were sent from the 1880s onwards.

22 Aug 1890; William Sheen age 9, and Albert Sheen age 4, were admitted from the workhouse to the cottage homes. Their religion was given as "chapel" (as was the case on the workhouse admission, although Zenas's subsequent admissions were "CofE".

They spent the rest of their childhood there.

William was discharged on 31 Jan 1896 to Mr Gunby, farmer, Cosby. (William was with the Gunby family in 1901, a farm servant).
Albert was discharged on 19 Oct 1901 to an unnamed aunt in Blaby.

I'll look for more workhouse details for Zenas and Frederick now.


1901. I've found an Albert Sheen in the Leic cottage homes, age 15, and listed as a "shoemaker" (they were put to apprenticeships so several of the young people have trades).

He's on the return in the cottage home in 1891 too, listed as "inmate" (as they all were). Also there was Thomas William Sheen, age 10, but there's no sign of Frederick.

ETA - 0f course, Shaun has already found him with Ewbank and Elizabeth Cade in 1891

Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Annie65115 on Sunday 30 July 23 18:43 BST (UK)
Leic Daily Post, 4 Feb 1893 -- Messrs Johnson and Goodwin, letterpress printers, were fined for employing young people without the relevant paperwork. One of those youngsters was Fred Sheen.
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Monday 31 July 23 07:47 BST (UK)
I'm wondering if Zenas married his widowed sister in law?

1881 - Eliza Sheen b Whetstone c1844

1871 - Eliza Sheen b Whetstone c1851 is married to an Amos Sheen b Cosby c 1843

Marriage appears to b 1870 - Amos Sheen and Eliza Haines. There's an ELiza Haines b Whetstone c1844

1851 - Amos b c1843 in Cosby has older brother Zenas

Believe you are quite right Mabel

(1) SHEEN, ALBERT       HAINES  (died aged 0 in 1882)
GRO Reference: 1882  J Quarter in LEICESTER  Volume 07A  Page 209

(2) SHEEN, ALBERT       HAINES 
GRO Reference: 1886  J Quarter in LEICESTER  Volume 07A  Page 229

(2) Married 1907, Elsie Kenney. No children in 1911 & Albert a widower by 1921
     Married 1923 Doris M James. Doris M (May) Sheen a widow in 1939  dob 1896

Albert died 1938.

John
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Monday 31 July 23 08:29 BST (UK)
Thomas Henry Sheen 1861 names his nok as Zenas Sheen on attestation papers on 28.5. 1879.

Married Catherine Emma Warner 17th November 1889. Father transcribed as LEVAS Sheen.

Appears on 1891/1901/11/21 census 1939 war register and dies 1946

Does not appear to have had children re 1911 census.

John
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Monday 31 July 23 08:43 BST (UK)
Just to round off

STEPHENSON, ELIZABETH  SHEEN     - 
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in LEICESTER  Volume 07A  Page 188

John

Still a mystery re Edmands surname though!!
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 31 July 23 11:59 BST (UK)
Normal procedure when a young man is missing from the 1901 census is to check the Boer War military records. Not seeing any obvious candidates there though!
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 31 July 23 12:44 BST (UK)
Fred SHEEN was born May 6,1879 to Eliza SHEEN (nee Haines) and Zenas,a currier, at 2 Little Thames Street,Leicester.

Quite a coincidence!

Looks good,Shaun and John !

Maureen 
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Monday 31 July 23 13:33 BST (UK)
Fred SHEEN was born May 6,1879 to Eliza SHEEN (nee Haines) and Zenas,a currier, at 2 Little Thames Street,Leicester.

Quite a coincidence!

Looks good,Shaun and John !

Maureen

Maureen, what record confirms that dob please.

John
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 31 July 23 13:40 BST (UK)
Hi John,

 Sorry-it's from the GRO website.
I know I shouldn't have but it cost less than a cup of coffee!

Maureen
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: softly softly on Monday 31 July 23 13:51 BST (UK)
Maureen, that was very generous of you and is the icing on the cake for this post. Well done you, have a real coffee on me  :)

John
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 31 July 23 13:57 BST (UK)
Thank you so much,John.

I was afraid someone would "call me out' on doing that.

Best,
Maureen


Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 31 July 23 14:51 BST (UK)
Well that clinches it. Thank you Maureen in NY !
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: MaureeninNY on Monday 31 July 23 15:04 BST (UK)
Well that clinches it. Thank you Maureen in NY !

It was your unfailing instincts that started this whole thing,Shaun!

Maureen
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 31 July 23 15:36 BST (UK)
Zenas Sheen was the only Zenas in Leicester in the 19th century. So that was a big clue ! 
Title: Re: Zenas Edmands
Post by: Ecoh on Monday 31 July 23 18:21 BST (UK)
Well thank you all for researching so much.  It is wonderful the time you have put in.  Sheila