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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Kent => England => Kent Lookup Requests => Topic started by: windy_miller on Monday 24 July 23 10:28 BST (UK)
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I've digressed from my usual mill related research to helping my wife with her family tree, so I was hoping someone might be able to shed some light on this chap.
All we know is that he was her gggg-grandfather. He was Kentish, and Married Philly Elphee (aka Elfy) in 1812 in Rolveden, Kent. Later connections are from (relatively) near-by New Romney area, so he might have been from there.
He clearly had children as John Reeve (his son) married Martha Robson at New Romney in 1835.
Anyway, any info on John Reeve, the elder, would be greatly appreciated!
Windy
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They were married 3 Dec 1812 (3 Dec is also my wedding anniversary!)
Children baptised (on FreeReg)
16 July 1820 William Frederick New Romney - John and Philadelphia (16 July is also one of my children's birth dates!)
There must be others, though I can't see them (yet)
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I see from the 1861 census that John REEVE (wid, 70 born Rolvenden) was a shoemaker. There are advertisements for the sale of property in Rolvenden in occupation of John REEVE, cordwainer, in 1788. A possible father?
eg November 25, 1788 - November 27, 1788
Publication: Whitehall Evening Post
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There is a John Reeve, s/o John & Hannah baptised 29 Apr 1787 at Rolvenden, St Mary the Virgin, noted as of this parish?
Jo :)
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Ha! Some sort of wedding anniversary & birthday twins! Funny how these things come up.
I seem to remember from going through marriages registers in Ipswich, Suffolk, that details could be pretty random pre-1813 when it seems a more standard format was introduced. Does this mean that the marriage ref does not include father's & mather's names for bride & groom?
W
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Brilliant! Thanks to both of you we seem to have gone back one more generation!
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Yes, unfortunately parent's names were not included.
There is a Philadelphia REEVE burial at New Romney 6 May 1825. A John REEVE marries Mary Ann DOWLE 15 May 1828. John and Mary Ann baptise a number of children at New Romney after this date.
Modified to add:
(all on FreeReg)
1 Feb 1831 Eliza
23 Nov 1834 Charlotte
1 Feb 1836 Henry
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Found some more baptisms for children of John and Phildelphia REEVE at New Romney (transcriptions on Ancestry):
6 July 1817 George
11 Dec 1818 Hannah
Can't see a baptism for John c1815 though. :-\
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There is a marriage of John REEVE and Hannah DRAY 30 Nov 1786 at Rolvenden (transcription on ancestry).
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Interestingly, there is also a baptism for a Thomas ELPHEE, with mother - Philadelphia (no father), at Rolvenden on 8 April 1810.
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Btw, I think John REEVE's death was in 1861 (not 1871 as in your subject title), aged 74 (Dec qtr, Romney Marsh 2a/466). Buried at New Romney 7 Dec 1861.
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OK. Its getting a bit Dickens now.
My John Reeve I have as being born/baptised in 1812/1813, so may out of wedlock?, to John & Philly.
They (J & P) then have atleast 2 other children, and then Philladelpe dies (maybe in child birth, who knows). John then remarries and another branch starts. Pretty sure my John is the son of J & P as he has a daughter in c1836 called Philliadelph.
The detective work is what is so interesting!
W
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I though reaching 80 was a bit of an achievement back in the day. Thanks for this extra info!
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Possible death for 2nd wife Mary Ann REEVE at New Romney - burial on 18 Jun 1836, aged 43. (son Henry was baptised a couple of months earlier, 43 is oldish, but not too old to be having a child, if this is the right Mary Ann)
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In my resaearch on Suffolk's mill I noticed that sometimes people got baptised years after they were born, and in one case about 7 children got baptised on one day. I think it saved money.
Not say that this is the case here though. :)
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There is an indenture involving property in New Romney dated 19th October 1812 that mentions John Reeve the younger, cordwainer, of Rolvenden.
http://www.familydeeds.org/KT70234.php
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Interesting.
I wonder if there was a relation between Joseph Dobell (in the above indenture) and Mary Ann Dowle (John Reeve's second wife), the surnames look different enough to different families, but sound similar enough that a not very literate person might write the as same name (?).
Hum, not sure if I made myself very clear.
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John REEVE is also mentioned in the tithe award schedule for New Romney
https://kentarchaeology.org.uk/research/tithes/new-romney
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Another document dated 1828 (ID 1144)
http://www.durtnall.org.uk/DEEDS/Kent%201101-1200.htm
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Hummm. George REEVE of the parish of St James Westminster, Middlesex looks interesting in the Durtnall indenture
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There is an indenture involving property in New Romney dated 19th October 1812 that mentions John Reeve the younger, cordwainer, of Rolvenden.
http://www.familydeeds.org/KT70234.php
What an interesting web site, I haven't seen this before, thankyou!
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Hummm. George REEVE of the parish of St James Westminster, Middlesex looks interesting in the Durtnall indenture
Possibly a brother of John REEVE. Children born to John and Hannah REEVE baptised at Rolvenden:
29 April 1787 John
26 Oct 1788 Elisabeth
9 May 1790 George
3 July 1791 William
7 Apr 1793 Ann
12 Apr 1795 Hannah
14 Jan 1797 Jane
16 Feb 1800 James
14 Feb 1802 Henry
13 Oct 1805 Eliza
5 Apr 1807 Harriet
4 June 1809 Alfred
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Blimey. Gonna need a bigger piece of paper ...
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There is one more document dated 1835
http://www.durtnall.org.uk/DEEDS/Kent%201301-1400.htm
number 1330.