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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: anotherhugh on Monday 24 July 23 09:41 BST (UK)
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Hello, i would be grateful if anyone could help me out with finding my great granduncle James Mooney.
He seems to disappear from the records and i suspect, having run out of options that he might have died in WW1.
Alas, Scotland's People lists his possible death "Service return" and no further info.
His basics:
He is the 2nd James Mooney to father: Hugh Mooney, District Waterman and Mary Mooney Nee. McIvor.
DOB: 26 Jul 1897 in Maryhill, Lanarkshire, Scotland
His home is quite obvious and helped track down some of his other siblings as it was Waterworks Cottage, Lambhill.
The only time i can possibly find him coming up is:
James Mooney
Rank Pte
Birth Place Maryhill Lanarkshire
Death Date 26 Sep 1915
Death Place France and Flanders
Cause of Death Killed in Action
Service Number S/9983
War WW1
Military Unit Gordon Highlanders, 9th Bn
Regiment The Gordon Highlanders
In the known family history, no one has mentioned his possible death in WW1. Their does not appear to any photos of him as an older adult which suggest maybe he did die or ended up off the beaten path somewhere.
His brother, William, went to NZ with his sister Brida in 1921. Neither stayed, later William/WM/Willie ends up in San Francisco and i cant find more on him.
Brida went to Canada after NZ, and then back to Scotland and ended up in Essex, England.
Any other info required let me know.
Always grateful.
Hugh
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Using Commonwealth War Graves Commission site -
MOONEY James #12045 died 25 September 1915 Age 17 years old
Age 17 years old
Cameronians 9th Bn Son of Mr. and Mrs. Patrick Mooney, of 5, Turner St., Townhead, Glasgow.
Maybe not him. I see James MOONEY # S/9983 but no further information.
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Using Commonwealth War Graves Commission site -
MOONEY James #12045 died 25 September 1915 Age 17 years old
Age 17 years old
Cameronians 9th Bn Son of Mr. and Mrs. Patrick Mooney, of 5, Turner St., Townhead, Glasgow.
Maybe not him. I see James MOONEY # S/9983 but no further information.
Hi Wivenhoe, thanks for that. I will look a bit more, i saw one separate listing for S/9983 but no further info. I am not really up on military history stuff so i don't know if that number is his personal identify or if there is another number,
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This may be him:
https://www.snwm.org/roll-search/?id=1449096&searchid=eecd8c7b3704de747465e72de562a064&page=1
He appears on the CWGC website with the same service number but has no known grave and so is commemorated on the Loos Memorial. No next of kin details are given.
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This may be him:
https://www.snwm.org/roll-search/?id=1449096&searchid=eecd8c7b3704de747465e72de562a064&page=1
He appears on the CWGC website with the same service number but has no known grave and so is commemorated on the Loos Memorial. No next of kin details are given.
Thanks Imber.
Its possible that its not my James, i just cant seem to find him anywhere else! Reducing everything down to the basics, how many Maryhill James Mooneys were there and where did they end up, leaving me with this one.
I remember with other relatives there being a two or three page card which stated "mothers name", "next of kin", "Pension to be paid to" etc.
None of this seems to be findable for this James Mooney unless its on a private site somewhere?
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Do you have a subscription for Ancestry.co.uk by any chance?
There are records e.g. pension record on there.
I have let my subscription lapse so unfortunately I cannot do a search for you. Perhaps someone else on here may be able to help.
You could also put a post on the WW1 board on here. Some amazing experts there.
Good luck
Dorrie
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From Registers of Soldiers' Effects :
James MOONEY Private S/9983 9th Battalion Gordon Highlanders . His beneficiary is given as his widow Elizabeth and mentions children but no names are given.
Ancestry has transcribed the service number as 3/9983.
Found a Pension card which lists the following
Wife Elizabeth b 26 May 1884
Daughter Jane b 1Apr 1903
Son Henry 13 November 1908
Son James 16 Jun 1910
Daughter Elizabeth 19 Oct 1911
None of the above would fit your James MOONEY so I think you can safely rule S/9983 out.
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Do you have a subscription for Ancestry.co.uk by any chance?
There are records e.g. pension record on there.
I have let my subscription lapse so unfortunately I cannot do a search for you. Perhaps someone else on here may be able to help.
You could also put a post on the WW1 board on here. Some amazing experts there.
Good luck
Dorrie
Thanks, I do and that's where i was looking! It seems like Christine53 has found what i was missing.
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From Registers of Soldiers' Effects :
James MOONEY Private S/9983 9th Battalion Gordon Highlanders . His beneficiary is given as his widow Elizabeth and mentions children but no names are given.
Ancestry has transcribed the service number as 3/9983.
Found a Pension card which lists the following
Wife Elizabeth b 26 May 1884
Daughter Jane b 1Apr 1903
Son Henry 13 November 1908
Son James 16 Jun 1910
Daughter Elizabeth 19 Oct 1911
None of the above would fit your James MOONEY so I think you can safely rule S/9983 out.
Thank you!! So grateful, I could not find pension card. Back to searching for my James Mooney somewhere else.
Does anyone have any idea what or where James Mooney ended up?
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Hello everyone!
A few months on and i found James details, looks like a typo with the address! Waterworks Cottage, Lambhill, Glasgow. Our family home and the same one on his birth record on the previous page.
Can anyone give me any details on what info is being given?
I am assuming he survived, and that he served with the Highland Light Infantry?
Is there any meaning in the multiple service numbers or reference numbers?
What details are in the red box?
He appears on another card with a different number, which then refers the reader to 2584.
Can we find out who were the people who received the pension? As far as i know he, like his brother William were some what elusive.
We don't know where James died or what happened to him after WW1.
Grateful for anyone thoughts, i see i can join Fold3 but i was not sure if some other info is more easily accessible.
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There is 2 other records on Ancestry for James Mooney
UK Silver War Badge Records
James Mooney
Regiment number 333140
Highland Light Infantry
Enlisted 27/9/15
Discharged 12/11/18
Hamilton
Have you checked for him on the 1921 census on S P
Rosie
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There is 2 other records on Ancestry for James Mooney
UK Silver War Badge Records
James Mooney
Regiment number 333140
Highland Light Infantry
Enlisted 27/9/15
Discharged 12/11/18
Hamilton
Have you checked for him on the 1921 census on S P
Rosie
Hi Rosie
Thanks for the reply, he is not at Waterworks Cottage on the census day/time.
There are quite a few James Mooneys i dont know which other one would be him! A couple of his sisters and brothers had already left the country.
I could not find a death record, at least one that matched for him either so i thought maybe he had left the country. It was suggested by another relative he might have gone to Aus to work on a golf course, but that has not lead to me anything helpful.
Thanks
Hugh
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I did see this immigration record which might be a possibility
Mr J Mooney age 22 birth year 1898
Departure England 6 March 1920
Destination Port Sydney
Ship Orvieto
On the image it says he is Ex Soldier
And place of Intended residence is New Zealand
Place of residence came from Scotland
Rosie
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I did see this immigration record which might be a possibility
Mr J Mooney age 22 birth year 1898
Departure England 6 March 1920
Destination Port Sydney
Ship Orvieto
On the image it says he is Ex Soldier
And place of Intended residence is New Zealand
Place of residence came from Scotland
Rosie
Oh wow! Thank you, that is worthy of some further investigation! 2 other James Mooneys who were in WW1 Died so its likely this could be him.
I looked NSW records website before but i will take another look. The ship is a good hint too, thanks.
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I also see this on the Electoral Records New Zealand 1922
James Mooney co/G Aim Waihi Road Hawera ( student ) ?
On the same page is also a Brida Mooney co/F C Spratt Beach Road Hawera Taranaki (spinster )
After that nothing
There are a few records on Paperspast New Zealand for Ira George Smith husband of Catherine Mooney you might want to check
Rosie
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I did see this immigration record which might be a possibility
Mr J Mooney age 22 birth year 1898
Departure England 6 March 1920
Destination Port Sydney
Ship Orvieto
On the image it says he is Ex Soldier
And place of Intended residence is New Zealand
Place of residence came from Scotland
Rosie
Oh wow! Thank you, that is worthy of some further investigation! 2 other James Mooneys who were in WW1 Died so its likely this could be him.
I looked NSW records website before but i will take another look. The ship is a good hint too, thanks.
Yes I think its worth checking James Mooney went out first in 1920 then his sister in 1921 maybe that's who she went out to .Cant seem to find Catherine on the Electoral Roll Records before her marriage or William
Rosie
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I found the document on Ancestry, final destination is in fact New Zealand. His sister Mary and Catherine were already there and their descendants i know very well.
Brida went and did not like it and came back, she also tried Canada.
I had seen those "C/O" records before but was never sure how to put them together.
William was in San Francisco in the 1950s. I have a photo of him there but could never find anything else.
Thanks for your help!
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Sorry My mistake I thought I seen a record for Catherine 1921 Like you I could not see anything for William Mooney in San Francisco either
Rosie