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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lincolnshire => England => Lincolnshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: magintx on Monday 24 July 23 05:53 BST (UK)
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I have Ann Welbourn as sister to my 3G Grandfather born in Denton 1791. Her parents are John Welbourn and Ann Waud. In searching for more on Ann I found a husband listed in Find My Past / Lincolnshire Parish registers, Richard Thurlby.
My concern is in FamilySearch he is shown with an Ann Welbourn with different parents. Are there available records that list parents in the marriage records?
Thanks for your time!
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Looking at freereg
Her mother's name of Waud is also transcribed as Wand..so
Richard Thurlby of Denton
Ann Welbourn of Denton.
Witnesses Wm and John Auger and additional witnesses M Welbourn & Mary Wand
With consent of parents.
There is another Ann baptised in 1796 to Edward and Sarah.
Tazzie
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If Ann, born 1791, is the person who married Richard Thurlby in 1813, then she would not have required "Consent of parents" as she would have been 22. But Ann born 1796 would have been aged 17.
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If Ann, born 1791, is the person who married Richard Thurlby in 1813, then she would not have required "Consent of parents" as she would have been 22. But Ann born 1796 would have been aged 17.
That's a good point. The Ann b 1796 has parents Edward and Sarah new Smith. It was the Wand/ Waud connection that was interesting.
As yet I cannot see a later marriage for Ann 1796
Tazzie
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The 1841-51 censuses give her birth as 1791-2, and her burial in 1868 as born 1793.
The baptism on 31st October 1791 has parents John and Ann. John married Ann Waud on 3rd January 1790 in Denton.
David
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Edward and John appear to be brothers, sons of Thomas and Mary Welbourn nee Twelch of Woolsthorpe married by license 22 February 1758
Children
Thomas bap 23 May 1758
Frances bap 29 November 1759*
**Edward bap 30 August 1761
Will bap 4 September 1763
John bap 25 August 1765 buried 3 June 1770
George bap 28 September 1767
Mary bap 15 October 1769 *
**John bap 23 September 1772
Ann bap 19 June 1774
When Frances married Joseph Bullimore 14 June 1779 witness her father Thomas (edited her brother Thomas died 1770) so it couldn't be him
Mary married JOHN AUGER 24 June 1790 witness her brother Will/William
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JOHN Auger is a witness to the marriage of Ann to Robert Thurlby along with William Auger.
Are they sons of John and Mary and therefore cousins to Ann, again which one?
Edward and Sarah's or John and Ann's
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Can anyone read the public photo on ancestry of the grave of Edward Welbourn died 1845 age 84
It lists his wife Sarah and sons and daughters, one of which is Ann
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If I could find the image, I'd have a look. I only have access to ancestry,co.uk :-\
ADDED: And I can't see a death registration in 1845 for Edward Welbourn!
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Burial of Edward is from Freereg age 84 at Denton on 29 December 1845.
1841 census Denton he is living alone - Ind. I was hoping he left a will.
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The details of Ann on the image are difficult to read. It states the Ann, Lucy and Edward were the children of Edward and Sarah.
Edward was buried in 1812 and Lucy in 1822, but I can't find Ann, although trees suggest 1826.
Some trees have Ann, the wife of Richard Thurlby, as the daughter of Edward and Sarah, born in 1791. Others say the the daughter of Edward and Sarah was born in 1796. However, most have her as the daughter of John and Ann.
David
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Thanks for looking
I was hoping the gravestone would have her name as either Ann Thurlby or Ann Welbourn so we could tell who was who.
The Ann Thurlby who was buried 2 January 1868 at Denton was 75 so born circa 1793 either way her birth year is wrong.
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Hail Mary
Anyone live in or near Denton going by the cemetery with a wire brush to remove the lichen to see if it gives a death date for Ann.
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IF Ann daughter of Edward and Sarah did die in 1826 then the one who married Richard Thurlby is the daughter of John and Ann.
Yet as Tazzie pointed out she would have been 22 and not needed the consent of her parents, or was it meant for Richard, how old was he in 1813?
Perhaps magintx can contact those who have a tree posted and find out what proof they have of Ann's death in 1826.
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Thank you Everyone! I really appreciate the clarifications.
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In looking for sources I do not find any that aren't mentioned. Some sites have definite dates for death but no sources besides burial date.
Richard would have been 26 and no consent needed either. So would the consensus be it most likely be Ann 1796? The more I go back and forth the more confused I become. :)
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The gravestone" maybe" the key to Ann's death
Find out if someone has transcribed the headstones for the Denton cemetery.
You need to broaden your search Thomas and Mary had other sons namely William 1763 and George 1767 who did they marry and did they have a daughter Ann?
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Thanks! Good plan to broaden the search. There did seem to be about a zillion Ann Welbourns and that will help (if not confuse more) to straighten things out.
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With consent of parents
There might be another explanation? :-\
It was a new marriage register, only introduced in 1813. The first two entries say with consent of parents. There weren't many marriages at Denton, but I think the next entry which has consent of parents (just "parent" in this case) was in 1817.
It could just be the person making the entry took a little while to grasp this part of the form, and just filled in "parents" when there was no need? :-\
It doesn't say Ann was a minor.
The subject has come up a few times before on Rootschat
Re: Marriage with consent of parents
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=630956.msg4788886#msg4788886
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Thanks Everyone!