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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Suki 1 on Sunday 23 July 23 12:50 BST (UK)
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This seems a weird one to me. Has anyone any ideas?
My 3xgtGrandfather William Stirrup died in Aug 8th 1849 in the Cholera Hospital, Vauxhall rd, Liverpool.The first mention of his burial I found years ago was for 7th Oct in St Martin in the Field CofE. I always thought that was a long time between death & burial especially for a Cholera victim. Today I found another record for him to say he'd been buried on the 9th August in St Mary's church RC,which I would have thought would be more feasable. Why is there a record for him at St Martins so long afterwards? I noticed other people on the register as well - e.g. Christopher Judge who I also found but buried on the 15th Aug in St Anthonys RC. I also found another couple of records as well of people on the Oct one.
Plus I've no idea who Thos & Sarah are. He'd no children called either of those names, I think his father was called Thomas. If that was the correct one though he died in the 1830's.but I can't verify that other than a baptism in Warrington in 1813 to a Thomas & Alice Stirrup.
Thanks!
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Is it possible that something happened to the first burial ground and the bodies were exhumed and reburied elsewhere?
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What's the column heading for Thos & Sarah in the last image?
ADDED: Maybe there were mass burials from the cholera hospital without regard for the denomination of the deceased because of infection risk, then RCs were reburied in a catholic cemetery?
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I've no idea but surely they were terrified of infection barely 2 months after death from cholera & all the ones on the Oct register were cholera victims. They seem to have been buried at St Martins in October from a couple of different churches.
The column heading just says Remarks.
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Is St Mary’s Cemetery a Catholic one? I don’t see that in the record.
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Yes it is. He had his children baptised there, St Anthony's where Christopher Judge was buried first is also RC.
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I've no idea but surely they were terrified of infection barely 2 months after death from cholera & all the ones on the Oct register were cholera victims.
I have read that cholera victims bodies were sometimes covered in pitch then covered in quicklime, so they may have been less anxious about infection risk after 2 months.
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What's the column heading for Thos & Sarah in the last image?
ADDED: Maybe there were mass burials from the cholera hospital without regard for the denomination of the deceased because of infection risk, then RCs were reburied in a catholic cemetery?
He was first buried in a RC cemetery then buried in the C of E one later - as were most of the others on that register.
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I don’t understand this but here is a Find a Grave record.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/223313124/william-stirrup
In the details it is noted: “ Death date listed may be the date of application”
I can’t see the ‘Thomas and Sarah’ note on the St Mary’s one I have found.
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Looking at that F a G record, it is this St Mary’s.
https://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/St%20Mary%27s%20Kirkdale/St%20Mary%27s%20Kirkdale%20Homepage.html
Sorry, I can’t shrink the link
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The note re Thomas and Sarah is on this record
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Yes apparently it was St Mary's in Kirkdale.
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It looks to have had a Catholic section.
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~ormandy/folklore/page4.html
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St Mary's near to the site of the hospital? I wonder if the numbers dying at the hospital were such that they decided to use temporary burials there? This newspaper article from the summer of 1859 suggests that resources were stretched (perhaps the same St Mary's?).
21 August 1859: The Liverpool Standard
THE CHOLERA, - This dreadful scourge is, we regret to say, devastating the poorer districts of the town with increased effect. On Sunday there were upwards of twenty funerals at St. Mary's, Kirkdale, and such was the scarcity of funeral equipages, that as the occupants of one mourning coach were put down the carriage was driven rapidly away with its accompanying hearse, to supply the urgent demands of those reguiring interment for their relations. The proprietors, in these instances, provided ordinary hackney carriages for the purpose of conveying the funeral parties home. The funeral pedestrian processions daily approaching St. Patrick's Chapel, Toxteth-park, are so numerous as to shock persons living in the neighbourhood.
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I saw that on F a G. On the St Mary's record it looks like he was buried in a mass grave.
The first burials in this cemetery took place on 24 March 1881. Which is over 30 years later than he died though
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I saw that on F a G. On the St Mary's record it looks like he was buried in a mass grave.
The first burials in this cemetery took place on 24 March 1881. Which is over 30 years later than he died though
Which cemetery is that - 1881?
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That’s a sad report, Alan.
I apologise for repeating the request/information re St Mary’s. I see now that the baptisms were at St Mary’s Catholic Church , Liverpool but the burial was St Mary’s cemetery, Kirkdale.
This does not solve your puzzle though re St Martins.
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I saw that on F a G. On the St Mary's record it looks like he was buried in a mass grave.
The first burials in this cemetery took place on 24 March 1881. Which is over 30 years later than he died though
Which cemetery is that - 1881?
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~ormandy/folklore/page4.html
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Yes I see what you mean ???
However, there are two burial records for Michael Lynch who is on the St Martin in the Fields record with William Stirrup in October 1849.
The St Mary’s burial is 2nd September.
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This is from Ancestry https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sj3/
If you are unable to open it, it is from ‘Liverpool Church of England Burials 1813- 1975’
‘This volume, though labelled St Martin in the Fields, is in fact a record of burials in St Mary’s Parochial Cemetery, Cambridge Street and has been given a class number in that sequence.’
It doesn’t explain the dates though.
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It's probably going to remain a mystery!