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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: Z Kelly on Saturday 15 July 23 01:21 BST (UK)
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Hi ,
Im searching for Patrick Kelly who married Elizabeth Malone. Patrick was in the 40th Regiment . He served in Australia, East Indies, Kabul. then in 1847 came to Auckland N.Z. as a Fencible. Can anyone help with his details as cannot find any information on them other than N.Z. and I also have his War Record.
Hope someone can help as he must of had family members somewhere.
Thanks , Zelda
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What information do you have about the lives of Patrick KELLY and wife Elizabeth MALONE in New Zealand.
Where did they marry?
What children did they have? Any children born in New Zealand?
When and where did Patrick and wife Elizabeth die?
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Patrick and Elizabeth Kelly nee Malone came to Auckland, N.Z. on board the ship "Ramillies" in 1847 with 4 children (passenger List states 4) I only found 3 from Patrick Kelly "WILL". It states William, Joseph and Anne and his wife Elizabeth. Patrick died in Onehunga, N.Z. in 1858. Anne married a William O'Connor and she died about 1903, Chapel Street, Onehunga.
I have no idea where they married as Patrick Kelly was in the 40th Regiment and went to different countries. He was eventually promoted to Sergeant. They came to Auckland to help protect Auckland from the Maoris. Here he was under Capt Kenny.
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Also to add
A son was born in Onehunga in 1849 ,his name was Patrick Thomas Kelly . He eventually arrived in Westport, Sth Island and lived there and his family there as well. I do have some data on him and descendants , Im more interested in his parents and brothers sisters if he had some and also family of his wife Elizabeth Malone. I wondered if one or both of them had previous marriages ?
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Children William, Joseph and Anne....when they die in New Zealand, what do you see on death records for birthplace?
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Can you identify the Probate file that you see for Patrick KELLY, died 1858.
A link to the website would be useful.
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I have no data on William Kelly
Joseph Kelly, place of birth is County Limerick, Ireland , he died 1901 Westport, N.Z and was aged 50yrs. and 47 years lived N.Z. His death notice states his mother Bridget Kelly nee Malone . At time of death - never married
(Unsure if this is correct death as mother states Bridget and not Elizabeth but back then family were unsure of first name
Anne O'Connor nee Kelly she died 1903 aged 54yrs . Born in Ireland and was in N.Z. 50yrs. Im positive Anne information is correct as a elder family member told me years ago she married an
O'Connor chap but they had no children.
When Annie O'Connor died her brother Patrick Thomas Kelly from Westport went to Auckland and in his statement reads he is the only next of kin.
(The date died , aged died and live in N.Z. doen't add up if born those years as were already in N.Z. Maybe they were unsure of their age . There are no birth dates on certificates and age married on Anne Cert
Hope this is not too confusing.
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The website for Patrick Kelly "WILL" died 1858 in on Archways N.Z.
Patrick Kelly, Onehunga
R18802657
1859-1859
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"Anne O'Connor nee Kelly she died 1903 aged 54yrs ."
Who is the informant?
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Informant. - F Little , Undertaker, Auckland
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Auckland Star 8 Nov 1901 p6
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19011108.2.64.4?
KELLY.—On October 10, 1901, at "Westport, Joseph Kelly, fourth son of the late Sergeant Kelly, of Onehunga, and beloved brother of Mrs O'Connor, of Auckland.
I read that to mean there are at least four sons in the family, and sister Mrs O'CONNOR?
Mrs O'CONNOR is also source of information on his death record?
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Mrs O'Connor on his death record etc where do I find that. I have not seen this before ,Thanks
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I do not know if Mrs O'CONNOR is the informant. When Joseph KELLY dies, 1901, there is someone around to put the notice in the newspaper, and who has knowledge of Joseph's family, such as to describe Joseph by birth order, and father's name.
Who would that be?
What documents do you have for BDM events, New Zealand, in the lives of the KELLYs who feature in your research?
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Are these the marriages for your KELLYs?
New Zealand BDM marriage
1873/10858 KELLY Ann marr. O'CONNOR William
1884/3439 KELLY Patrick Thomas marr. WILLIAMSON Sarah Isabella
* The marriage record for Patrick Thomas KELLY, married 1884, would name parents. This would be useful for your research because you would hope that parents are also notated on the record as being (deceased).
* You know that father Patrick KELLY died, 1858. It would be useful to see how mother Elizabeth is recorded on the marriage record of a son/daughter ....(deceased)?
* It would be useful to locate a death record for Elizabeth KELLY, and hope that it is 1875+ when good information is included in a death record, New Zealand.
* Where/how do you see your Elizabeth, married Patrick KELLY, to be born MALONE?
* A printout would be of more use to you than would be a certificate for BDM records, New Zealand.
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I just found a British Army Service record and it states Patrick Kelly was born c1803 , Parish of Birth is Foughinna,
County of Birth is Limerick
Also there is an Elizabeth Kelly died 1878 onehunga , I have not got that yet as thought there would be not alot on it , but now I see its after 1875 so could be more information like you suggest.
Elizabeth Kelly born Malone is on the Ramillies ship (Fencible ) data I was sent years ago.
Annie O'Connor death record states mother Eliza Kelly formerly Malone
Joseph Kelly death record states mother Bridget Kelly family name at birth - Malone
Patrick Thomas Kelly death record states Mothers Name and Maiden Name UNKNOWN
Patrick Thomas Kelly birth record states Mothers Name Elizabeth Kelly , Maiden Surname - Malone
Patrick Thomas Kelly Marriage record states Mothers Name - Eliza Kely, Maiden Surname - Malone
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When Joseph Kelly died in 1901 , he seems to only have Patrick Thomas Kelly his brother in Westport as he died 1926 and Annie O'Connor in Onehunga she died April 1903.
It must have been Patrick Thomas Kelly as both in same town
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"Patrick Thomas Kelly Marriage record states Mothers Name - Eliza Kely, Maiden Surname - Malone"
Can you please list all the information on this marriage document?.
Are you looking at a transcription, or an image of a hand written document?
What documents do you have for BDM events, New Zealand, in the lives of the KELLYs who feature in your research?
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It looks like has been copied by hand from the original record.
Patrick Thomas Kelly Marriage Details
Place of Registration - Buller
No - 18
Reg. Gen.Marriage - 3243/1884
When Married - 10 Nov 1884
Where Married - Residence of Rev Tho Walsh
Bridegroom --Patrick Thos Kelly Bride Sarah Isabella Williamson
Age - 29 21
Occup - Carpenter
Conj. Status - Bachelor Spinster
Birthplace - Onehunga, N.Z. Victoria, Australia
Present Res. -Westport Addisons Flat
Usual Res. - Westport Addisons Flat
Fathers Name - Patrick Kelly Robert Williamson
Occupation - Stonemason Miner
Mother Name - Eliza Kely Elizabeth McGregor Williamson
Maiden Name - Malone Murray
Witnesses - Patrick Kelly (Westport) Miner
Mary Glen Williamson (Westport)
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I Have Patrick Thomas Kelly Birth details , also hand written on a form
Place of Registration - Auckland
Reg, Gen, Birth - 40/1849
No - 35
When Born - 28 July 1849
Full Name - Patrick Kelly
Sex - Male
Fathers Name - Patrick Kelly
Occupation - Pensioner *(see over)
Mothers Name - Elizabeth Kelly
Maiden Surname - MALONE
Informant - P. Kelly, Father, Onehunga
Registrar & Date - Robt. Kelly 4 Aug . 1849
re *(see over) - Four pensioner settlements were placed early 1840s in Onehunga to protect Auckland from Maori attacks. Under the Scheme, called Fencibles, men of good character, under 48 years of age, & retired from the army after 20 years service, were chosen.
This is why Patrick Kelly is called a pensioner.
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Some Info on Patrick Kelly Snr WAR RECORD
Name - Patrick Kelly
Regiment - 40th Foot
Pension - 1/10
No In family - Wife and 4 children
District - Limerick
Attestation Papers - Sergeant Patrick Kelly of the 40th Regiment of Foot. Held under WO 97\563
No 323 Patrick Kelly by trade a Labourer was born in the County of Limerick and attested for the 40th Regiment of foot at Limerick on July 6th 1824 ages 21 years.
His total service amounted to 21 years 211 days during which period he served abroad 18 years and 10 months
New South Wales 3 years 3 months
East Indies 11 years 8 months
Afghanistan 3 years 8 months
He served as a private from July 5th 1824 to November 24th 1827
Corporal from November 25th 1827 to October 1st 1831
Sergeant from October 2nd 1831 to July 12th 1845 before being discharged due to disability (described as acute and chronic catarrh)
He was granted a Medal inscribed "Cabul 1842" for the Second Afghan Campaign
Description on discharge at Chatham on July 12th 1845 is as follows;
Age -43 years
Height - 5 feet 9 inches
Hair - dark
Eyes - grey
Trade - Labourer
P.S. Hopefully some of this will find other ancestors MASYBE
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It is useful to see that knowledge of the origins of mother Elizabeth ie maiden name MALONE, seems to be known by the children of Patrick KELLY and Elizabeth.
It would encourage you to think that these sons and daughters have good contact, beyond their childhood, with their mother.
Father Patrick KELLY, died 1858, has left several children.
How does wife Elizabeth look after these children, who you might suspect, guided by ages at their deaths, to be children of dependent age at 1858 when father Patrick dies.
Does widow Elizabeth KELLY marry again, 1858+...?
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Elizabeth Kelly , there is an article on William Kelly not supporting his widowed mother but cannot 100per cent say it is them.
I think she died 1878 but will have to get her death cert to prove it .
Also I am unsure if she married again.
I have not found much on her which I can say is definitely her, thats the reason I was searching for info overseas , thought maybe Patrick Kelly snr had brothers or sisters , his parents and other branching family ancestors.
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* Your Patrick KELLY at 1845, Chatham England, reply #19 -
Sergeant from October 2nd 1831 to July 12th 1845 before being discharged due to disability (described as acute and chronic catarrh)
* Your Patrick KELLY, as described by son Patrick Thomas KELLY at marriage, 1884, reply # 17 -
father's occupation stonemason
I wonder at a man with acute and chronic airways condition at age 43 years, working as a stonemason?
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Yes , I never noticed that.
Patrick Kelly Snr died from Tetanus after getting a kick from a horse.
In his WILL Elizabeth writes he had 7 horned cattle, 2 horses , 1 cart , 2 1/2 acres of potatoes .
so a stonemason does not really fit into that .
Thanks
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Foughinna Co. Limerick is Feohanagh a village in south west Limerick in the Parish of Mahoonagh
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Ok thanks for that I will check it out.
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At reply #6 -
"When Annie O'Connor died her brother Patrick Thomas Kelly from Westport went to Auckland and in his statement reads he is the only next of kin."
What statement?. Is there a Will?...inquest?...what?
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....in south west Limerick in the Parish of Mahoonagh
Mahoonagh
Diocese of Limerick | County of Limerick
Variant forms of parish name:
Castlemahon
Mahoonagh and Fehonagh
Fehonagh
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0875
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Feohanagh townland
https://www.townlands.ie/limerick/glenquin/mahoonagh/broadford/feohanagh/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6114896#map=12/52.4150/-8.9951
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Yes it was an affidavit from Patrick T Kelly regarding her death
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Where would I find the birth of Patrick Kelly Snr Born c1803
OR his marriage to Elizabeth Malone
mmm
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I will check back tomorrow,
Thanks for all your help today.
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New Zealand Herald 26 May 1902 p1
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19020526.2.2.1?
O'CONNOR— On May 25. 3902, at his residence Chapel-street. William, the beloved husband of Annie O'Connor, and eldest son of the late Garret O'Connor, aged 57 years.
Auckland Star 15 Apr 1903 p6
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19030415.2.78.3?
O'CONNOR.-On April 13th, at the Auckland Hospital, Annie, relict of William O'Connor aged 54 years.
Why is there an affidavit from Patrick KELLY regarding the death of sister Annie O'CONNOR who dies in Hospital?
What is it about?
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Just checked it was not an affidavit , it was a letter to the court.
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Can we see the contents of the letter?. Can you post an image.
"Where would I find the birth of Patrick Kelly Snr Born c1803
OR his marriage to Elizabeth Malone"
The more you know about the children of Patrick KELLY and Elizabeth MALONE, the better your chance to locate a marriage. The birthplace of a first child would suggest where they married.
Who are the witnesses for the marriages of Anne KELLY, and brother Patrick KELLY?
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Patrick Kelly Snr Born c 1803 in County of Limerick, Ireland
He attested for the 40th regiment of foot at Limerick on July 6th 1824 at aged 21
He served N.S.W. Australia for 3 years
He then served East Indies for 11 year
He then served Afghanistan for 3 years
Then discharged at Chatham 12th July 1845
Then to N.Z. in 1847
Witnesses on marriage of Patrick thomas Kelly Jnr in 1884
are Patrick Kelly (Westport) Miner
Mary Glen Williamson (Westport)