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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Worcestershire => England => Worcestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Hornchurch on Friday 14 July 23 17:00 BST (UK)
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Greetings Folks,
I'm hoping that some of you forumites & learned people can help steer me into some much needed information on my Grandmother's Sister.
I know nothing of her, until last night, my 92 year old Father mentioned her to me, just before turning in for bed.
My ONLY starting point is that my Dad's Mum is/was named "Gertrude Marion Clifford"
Gertrude Marion Clifford was born in 1902 in Croome D'Abitot, Worcestershire.
She died in Norfolk, in 1988, already a widower
She married William J Hudson - I believe that was in the mid-late 1920's
I know they lived in Becontree Heath (Essex) in the 1930's onwards, as he became a Steam Locomotive Driver in 1935
My Dad mentioned that Gertrude Marion Clifford had a sister, too
Alas he doesn't know "if" this Sister, named either Anne or Annie was older or younger than his Mum ?
It's Anne or Annie that I'm really seeking out, as she eventually gave birth to a Son, who later went on to serve in the B.E.F aka "British Expeditionary Force" & was apparently "Blinded At Dunkirk" in either Late May or Early June 1940.
I know my Nan WAS born in Croome D'Abitot in 1902 and that's pretty much all I've got to go on.....
..... other than her Sister Anne or Annie went to go live at a place called "Great Barr" in Birmingham, formerly under the borders of Staffordshire
BTW ; I know for a fact that neither she (Anne or Annie), nor her poor son Bert, or Bertram are still alive...
Bert, or Bertram apparently (due to his blindness & subsequent divorce) regrettably took his own life some time in the late 1940's or very, very early 1950's.
It's both HIM and his Mum specifically that I'd like to know about.... please....
I honestly wish I had more detail to submit, but my Dad's 92 y/o & his memory is fading & if I don't do it soon, he'll never know.....
Thanks for reading & many thanks in advance for those who could help me trace Anne or Annie Clifford, or and Bert (Bertram) her Ex Army B.E.F son
Cheers,
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Have you looked for Gertrude on the 1911 census? It shows an Annie Clifford aged 12 b Pirton
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BS-XFR
Birth reg shows she was Annie Elizabeth b Dec qtr 1898
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The family including Annie in 1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSST-33V
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Possible marriage for Annie :-\
Marriages Dec 1921
Biddle Albert V (spouse Clifford)
Clifford Annie E (spouse Biddle)
Birmingham 6d 570
Deleted as Annie was showing as married in 1921 census
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That 1921 marriage cert is online & shows her as Annie Eliza - father James
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Thanks Carole, I have just deleted it as Annie is with her mother in 1921 and already married
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Annie married Archie C E Bright in 1918 :)
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Possible marriage to Archie C E Bright in 1918. Son Bertram W E b 1920
EDIT
He was Bertram William Edward & is not with the family in 1939
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Bertram married in 1944 and died in 1964 - see freebmd for dates etc
ADDED 2nd marriage in 1951 :)
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Married Doreen Elsie Burden b 1924 Oxford died 1974 Gloucestershire
A child was born 1952 but details cannot be given here as they are probably still alive
www.freebmd.org.uk
EDIT
Child married 1974 Gloucs
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Birmingham Daily Gazette 27 May 1943
Are there any unmarried women in England or shall we have to remain bachelors.
This is one of the two worries of Pte Bertram Bright whose home is at 16 Frenshaw Grove, Great Barr who is now in a German prison Camp for the Blind.
He was blinded 3 years ago today when a hand grenade fell at his feet near Dunkirk
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It may be worth you buying Bertram's death certificate to establish his cause of death.
There are several mentions of Bertram in newspapers in 1943 & 1944 including his divorce in 1948 from Ethel.
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So who was the father of the child b 1952?? Just checked & can’t find a will for either of them
Who was Ethel? He married Doreen Elsie Burden (I hope) :o
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Bertram did not die until 1964.
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Just realised 1944 marriage was to Ethel & 1951 to Doreen😱
At least 4 children born to that first marriage
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Death of Annie
BRIGHT, ANNIE ELIZABETH aged 51
GRO Reference: 1949 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 09C Page 37
Remarriage of Archie.
Marriages Mar 1952
BRIGHT Archie C E NEWMAN Birmingham 9c 875
Newman Edith F Bright Birmingham 9c 875
Death of Archie
BRIGHT, ARCHIE CHARLES EDWARD aged 60
GRO Reference: 1955 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 09C Page 419
John
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The family including Annie in 1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSST-33V
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Goodness me : Rosie , Carole & John !!!!!!!!
Cannot thank you guys enough for your lightning-fast research - Truly amazing !!!!!!!
Mind truly blown that you guys were SO fast, so rapid AND also, SO accurate.
I'll add some more, one evening, when I have more time.
Suffice to say, I called my 92 y/o Dad upstairs, to tell him the good news (About your research, Y'all)
Laughably, before he reached the top of the stairs, he chirped up "I've remembered Bert's surname"
He followed on with..... "It was BRIGHT , Bertram Bright" , so then I knew you guys were 'on target'
Trust me, he's pleased about this, as with ALL the additional info' that you guys have collectively provided, it's added considerable colour to an (hitherto) unknown side, for me, of my immediate Nan's family.
The thing that really makes me laugh, is - Had a chance remark outside our kitchen just before midnight NOT have taken place, all this (for me), would've remained unknown !!
Thanks again Folks - Amazing !!