RootsChat.Com
General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Mofamily on Thursday 13 July 23 14:37 BST (UK)
-
Hello
In the marriages on freebmd, how can you find out which named individual married one of the number of people mentioned as possible spouses. I've tried narrowing them down through census and death records, but can't find possible matches.
Mo
-
FreeBMD simply shows the names mentioned on each page;either 4 names or 6.
It requires detective work to work out who marries who!
Are there any suitable births? Check for Mother's Maiden Name on GRO Search.
Do any of the brides have unusual forenames? Try looking for them on the next census.
Either of these tricks may help you eliminate (or confirm) a bride.
-
Maybe tell us who you are looking at. I would normally do as you have done and try to track them or the others mentioned later on census or birth registration indexes for any possible children.
-
If you have access to FS, Ancestry or FindMyPast then you may be able to sort them out by searching for one of the names and hopefully find the church marriage. However, if the page number is high then that might signify a Register Office marriage :-\
Maybe we can help with your particular search :)
-
Thanks folk. I have tried FS, FindMyPast etc. Thought every way outside the box, but no luck.
I'm trying to find a Julia Palmer. She was a widow born 1801/2, last living in Liverpool in 1837. She had links with London so thought she might have gone back there and remarried. Possibly 1839 St George, Southwark.
Also a Jennet Palmer. Also a widow born 1795/99, last living in Liverpool 1851. She also had links with London so thought she might have gone back there and remarried. Possibly 1851 St George, Southwark.
Mo
-
You can discount Elijah John Acworth he married Mary A Cronk, he can be found in 1861 with Mary and 'Cronk' relations
Marriage Sep 1851
ACWORTH Elijah John
CRONK Mary Ann
Daly Eliza
Fenton John
GEORGE Henry
PALMER Jennet
RYAN Denis
SULLIVAN Ann
St Geo Southk 4 591
-
Probably Henry George - his wife Jannett was born 1816
1861 has a son David
Birth for David
GEORGE, DAVID mmn PALMER
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in CITY OF LONDON Volume 01C Page 99
-
Marriages Sep qtr 1839
COVELL Jane
FULLER George
HARDING John
HUTTON William
IRWIN John
PALMER Julia
PARR Isabella Walton
RUGEN Sophia Frances
St. Geo. Southwk. 4 433
Julia 'age' 30 in 1841 - living Bethnal Green - daughter Elizabeth age 7 months
IRWIN, ELIZABETH mmn PALMER
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 22
-
I'm trying to find a Julia Palmer. She was a widow born 1801/2, last living in Liverpool in 1837. She had links with London so thought she might have gone back there and remarried. Possibly 1839 St George, Southwark.
What date in 1837 do you have her in Liverpool. Where was she born
-
Also a Jennet Palmer. Also a widow born 1795/99, last living in Liverpool 1851. She also had links with London so thought she might have gone back there and remarried. Possibly 1851 St George, Southwark.
Mo
Where do you have her in 1851 - Where was she born and who else is living with her
-
Thanks Rosie. They obviously didn't get married as the dates of birth are way out. It was just a thought as I couldn't find a death for them under their married names. I've scoured the Liverpool necropolis records etc where their husbands and children were buried, but they are not there.
I suppose they could have emigrated, but I've looked and can't see any records for that either.
Never mind.
Thanks again
Mo
-
If I have the correct Janet/Janette/Jennet, I think I have her in 1871 with her son James on Crosby Road South. They're mistranscribed on Ancestry
James Balmer 47 Head. Piano dealer b Liverpool
Alice A Balmer 53 Wife
Janet Balmer 74 Mother b London
Elizabeth Sudlow 53 Sister (married)
Sarah Armitage 20 Servant
Sarah Wainright 31 Servant
Piece 3838, folio 82, page 51
James' marriage to Alice lists him as son of John Barton Palmer
-
Possible death?
Janet Palmer
Age: 83
Q4 1879
Birkenhead Vol 8a, p 327
-
Elizabeth Palmer married Harry Sudlow 1846 Liverpool. Her father John Barton Palmer occ Proffesor of Music.
John
-
Burial 9th October 1822, aged 0 months, Jane Palmer daughter of John Barton Palmer and Jennett, abode King Street,Soho, Liverpool.
Seemingly some of the children of John Barton Palmer & Jennett/Janet
John Ogilvy Palmer 1816----on 1881/91/1901 census died 23rd February 1906 aged 89 Hampstead
Elizabeth Palmer 1818--died aged 82 Liverpool
Mary Palmer baptised 31st March 1820 John& Jeannette, father Dancing Master
(Mary still alive 1906 as mentioned in Brother John Ogily Palmer's probate record)
James Palmer 1823 died 30th July 1893 W Derby
Jennet Palmer baptised 19th May 1825 father Dancing Master--on 1901 censusdied 1908 aged 84 Wirral
Euphemia Leighton Palmer 1826------on 1891/1901 census --died 1910 aged 83 Wirral
George Valentine Palmer 1832-1832
Emily Palmer 1836
David Ogilvy 1839 died 1898 South Australia
-
PALMER, JOHN BARTON aged 45
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 20 Page 326
Licence
Palmer
John Barton
Born c 1794
—
Married 1815
Cheshire Marriage Licence Bonds And Allegations 1606-1905
Cheshire, England
Image on FindMyPast. Jennet Olgivy was a minor aged 19 and married with the consent of her father David
Marriage cert image on FindMyPast.
John
-
1841 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ2B-6W9
PALMER, DAVID OGILVY OGILVY
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 20 Page 439
1851 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG54-GHZ
Looking at original image Jane should read Jennette born 1826 Liverpool
Jennet Palmer baptised 19th May 1825, Parents John & Jennet--Father a Dancing Master
1861 census.Don't know who they are daughters of though.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7G4-BXG
John
-
Probably Henry George - his wife Jannett was born 1816
1861 has a son David
Birth for David
GEORGE, DAVID mmn PALMER
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in CITY OF LONDON Volume 01C Page 99
They appear together in 1871 census as well and on both census Jennet/Janet is born c1813-6 Carmarthenshire
1881 Janet is with her son John born 1815 Carmarthenshire
John
-
1861 census.Don't know who they are daughters of though.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7G4-BXG
John
Have checked the image - no one in the household for them to be daughter of. Presumably Janet the mother is head of the household but was away from home on census day
-
Not just me then Mabel
John
-
No - son John is also away from home on 1861, but as he's a commercial traveller that's probably unrelated to Janet being invisible that year
-
Hi everyone
Sorry I've been so late getting back, but I didn't realise I had any posts. Totally missed the e-mails or OH deleted them ::)
Anyway, thank you so much for your hard work. That's Janet/Jannet/Jennet sorted.
Thanks again
Mo