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Title: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: ptdrifter on Thursday 06 July 23 20:51 BST (UK)
Can anyone let me know what the cause of death says please?

(Hopefully enough of the cert shown, but not too much for GRO copyright)

Thanks
Fred
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: shanreagh on Thursday 06 July 23 23:46 BST (UK)
Could you please give the date please so we can see if it is an older complaint expressed differently to what we say now

Also pl advise the wording of the column heading.   
 


Sort of looks like Alous or Alons and i thought of Alois Alzheimer? 
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 07 July 23 01:34 BST (UK)
I wonder if the second word is Folicula.    The first letter is not a T see next column. 
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: ptdrifter on Friday 07 July 23 08:17 BST (UK)
Thanks for looking , the date is 1874.
The columns are occupation, (Ostler)
cause of death, and informant.
He was in and out of the Sick Asylum a lot for the year or so before his death, and was last discharged a few days before he died.
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: avm228 on Friday 07 July 23 08:34 BST (UK)
Well it seems to say Alous Soluba, but I can’t find online help as to what that would have meant.
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: ptdrifter on Friday 07 July 23 08:50 BST (UK)
I came up with the same , and Alous Soilicta, but again no meaning anywhere.
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: Bookbox on Friday 07 July 23 09:18 BST (UK)
I think the second word is Soluta, which no-one seems to have suggested yet? It means 'loosened', 'freed', 'released'. But I haven't identified the first word, or the full phrase.
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 07 July 23 09:23 BST (UK)
But the Lead letter of the second word does not look like the "S" of Sick Asylum
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: Bookbox on Friday 07 July 23 10:12 BST (UK)
But the Lead letter of the second word does not look like the "S" of Sick Asylum

The top, the foot and the slope of the two are very similar. The initial hook is different, but that may be because the S of Sick is closely preceded by another word (The). But I wouldn't want to push it without knowing what the first word or the whole phrase might be, and nothing has been found yet.

I don't think the first letter is F because it has nothing resembling a crossbar through the downstroke. There aren't enough pen-strokes for Folicula, Sollicita etc. (unless mis-spelt).
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: ptdrifter on Friday 07 July 23 11:24 BST (UK)
Don't know if a bit more of the writing might help
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 07 July 23 11:28 BST (UK)
The S of Sixteenth looks the same, so I concede Bookbox. It’s an S.
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 07 July 23 11:40 BST (UK)
The words “alous soluta” appear here

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sgh/


But I am sure it is directions for mixing a therapeutic agent of some sort
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: AlanBoyd on Friday 07 July 23 12:28 BST (UK)
Following up on “soluta” = loose, this entry at nationalarchives implies (perhaps? it is somewhat cryptic) that “loose inside” was a cause of death.

https://tinyurl.com/4w5p3fmu (https://tinyurl.com/4w5p3fmu)
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: ptdrifter on Friday 07 July 23 12:38 BST (UK)
Interesting book mckha489
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: ptdrifter on Friday 07 July 23 12:46 BST (UK)
Or does that mean the certificates were loose inside, Alan ?
Intriguing
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: AlanBoyd on Friday 07 July 23 12:51 BST (UK)
Yes ptdrifter, now that you point it out…
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: davidgp on Friday 07 July 23 15:24 BST (UK)
Following up on “soluta” = loose, this entry at nationalarchives implies (perhaps? it is somewhat cryptic) that “loose inside” was a cause of death.

https://tinyurl.com/4w5p3fmu (https://tinyurl.com/4w5p3fmu)

Soluta could also mean "dissolved" while the word "alvine" related to the bowels - could we be looking at a literal report of the symptoms of say cholera?
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: ptdrifter on Friday 07 July 23 17:45 BST (UK)
Ah, Davidgp I think you may have cracked it .
Alvus constricta is constipation, so alvus soluta, diarrhea like symptoms?

Thanks all , a step closer
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: AlanBoyd on Friday 07 July 23 17:59 BST (UK)
from: Physician's prescription book: Containing List of Terms, Phrases, Contractions and Abbreviations... by Jonathan Pereira, 1865

Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: ptdrifter on Friday 07 July 23 18:24 BST (UK)
Thanks Alan
I think that clinches it :)
Title: Re: Help with reading cause of death on Death Cert Please
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 07 July 23 21:07 BST (UK)
Excellent!