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Decided to bite the bullet and search for the death of my ancestor John Weston in the newspapers after the census of 1861, he was 70 then, so thought it might be not too onerous. I hadn't been able to find a logical death in FreeBMD or Gov.uk.
I found a death announcement in the Sussex Advertiser, 3 Jun 1865 for John, who died at his daughter's home (also my ancestor) in Burwash, Sussex (they were in Warbleton in 1861). Still cannot find a listing in order to purchase his death certificate. Also a bit odd he died on 12 Mar so it was delayed.
Am also surprised I did not find a probate listing for him, as I believe he was not without assets, and in the 1861 was listed as "proprietor of houses" for his profession.
He was actually christened as John Weston Upton, born before his parents' marriage, and in his father's will called John Weston otherwise Uptain (sic). All records I have found refer to him as just John Weston.
Wondering if there is any hope of getting that certificate.
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No I can't find one either :-\
Does the announcement give any further details at all?
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He died at Scots House Farm, 12 Mar 1865, at the home of his daughter Mrs. Jabez Errey of Burwash.
He was formerly of Lewes, and was a miller.
From my other research, he was from a prominent milling family in Mayfield, Sussex and at least four of his five known children were born there. In 1841 he and his wife Ann were living at Millhouse, Heathfield and in 1861 he was widowed and living with daughter Lucy (single) and an Errey grandson, in Lewes. He is described as a master miller. His father was a miller as well.
Should have added I looked under Upton for his death as well, and checked all Westons who died in that year in Ticehurst district, and all Johns too. No joy.
Edited: That should read 1851, not 1861. He was in Warbleton in 1861.
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I see Burwash was in Ticehurst district in 1865.
A John Boarer and John Croft death was registered in the March quarter of 1865 in the district. And in the June quarter of 1865 was John Avery, John Daniels, John Bailey, John Gibb and John Stonestreet. As said no John Weston or John Upton. But listing all John's registered may help if the surname was grossly mis transcribed.
Could be the death was registered, and the entry was missed when being copied into the copies sent to the GRO at the time, meaning the death will appear in the local registry office deaths. Of course the district may have changed name over time.
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Can't see that any of those Johns have a surname anything close to Weston, even if messily written.
This is not the first time I have found mention of a death of a family member and not found in any indexes. My ancestor's sister supposedly died in 1882 in Bridge district, Kent and I wrote to the district but they had no record of it. It was all to do with a horrific criminal case and her husband went to jail, and no further sign of her after that date.
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Same here. I have a burial for an ancestor in December 1864 but cannot find any death entry in the GRO and I have tried all variants.
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Find My Past have a transcription of Sussex burials and have a John Weston as follows:
Name: John Weston
Birth Year: 1790
Age: 75 yrs
Death Year: 1865
Burial Year: 1865
Burial Date: 29 May 1865
Description: Cade St, Independent
Place: Heathfield
County: Sussex
Country: England
Notes: Warbleton
I looked at the Sussex Advertiser and as you said in your first post, he died on the 12 March aged 79 years.
Like all replies, no sign of his entry in the GRO
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Find My Past have a transcription of Sussex burials and have a John Weston as follows:
Name: John Weston
Birth Year: 1790
Age: 75 yrs
Death Year: 1865
Burial Year: 1865
Burial Date: 29 May 1865
Description: Cade St, Independent
Place: Heathfield
County: Sussex
Country: England
Notes: Warbleton
I looked at the Sussex Advertiser and as you said in your first post, he died on the 12 March aged 79 years.
Like all replies, no sign of his entry in the GRO
I wonder is the Burial date is a mistranscription of "29 Mar. 1865" (still a good while between death and burial but more reasonable than end of May!) Need to see the actual image of the register.
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Find My Past have a transcription of Sussex burials and have a John Weston as follows:
Name: John Weston
Birth Year: 1790
Age: 75 yrs
Death Year: 1865
Burial Year: 1865
Burial Date: 29 May 1865
Description: Cade St, Independent
Place: Heathfield
County: Sussex
Country: England
Notes: Warbleton
I looked at the Sussex Advertiser and as you said in your first post, he died on the 12 March aged 79 years.
Like all replies, no sign of his entry in the GRO
I wonder is the Burial date is a mistranscription of "29 Mar. 1865" (still a good while between death and burial but more reasonable than end of May!) Need to see the actual image of the register.
That corresponds with my comment about the newspaper announcement being so late - about seven weeks after the death. Maybe there is a reason.
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Find My Past have a transcription of Sussex burials and have a John Weston as follows:
Name: John Weston
Birth Year: 1790
Age: 75 yrs
Death Year: 1865
Burial Year: 1865
Burial Date: 29 May 1865
Description: Cade St, Independent
Place: Heathfield
County: Sussex
Country: England
Notes: Warbleton
I looked at the Sussex Advertiser and as you said in your first post, he died on the 12 March aged 79 years.
Like all replies, no sign of his entry in the GRO
Thanks for this, AllanUK. As noted, burial date a long time after the death!
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Kind of interesting too, I visited that churchyard in Heathfield many years ago with my mother. Her grandparents, who she had lived with as a girl, are buried there. They lived on Cade Street too and she was born there.
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John Weston death, Ticehurst. 1864. March quarter..
Can you see him in the 1861..I've looked on Family Search.I don't see him?
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John Weston death, Ticehurst. 1864. March quarter..
Can you see him in the 1861..I've looked on Family Search.I don't see him?
Thanks for looking but that John is too old to be mine, he is 86, and the newspaper announcement for my John is from 1865.
Yes, he is living in Warbleton with son-in-law Jabez Errey and his daughter Mary Weston Errey as well as Jabez' father. (I was lucky to get the two fathers with their children.)
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It does seem curious not finding a death registration. The death notice being a little late whilst unusual is not uncommon.
You possibly have seen this already - He sold his business in High St, St Anne's Lewes in 1853 to P and T MARTIN.
Tuesday, Oct. 25, 1853
Publication: Sussex Advertiser
Is the sale of property in Chiddingly and Hellingly, (deceased estate of John WESTON) related to your John? eg:
Tuesday, June 13, 1865
Publication: Sussex Advertiser
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Should there be a Will to find for your John WESTON, died 1865?
From the death notice "...John WESTON, 79, formerly Lewes, miner...."
I do not read that to mean that he is a 79 year old miner, but if he owned property and left an estate, would his daughter identify him as a miner?
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Should there be a Will to find for your John WESTON, died 1865?
From the death notice "...John WESTON, 79, formerly Lewes, miner...."
I do not read that to mean that he is a 79 year old miner, but if he owned property and left an estate, would his daughter identify him as a miner?
The actual clip says Miller (not miner) as per Diana’s post. #2
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I am looking at the newspaper notice and I see "miner".
Can someone else look at it please....using britishnewspaperarchives.....
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Miller :)
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Yes for....miller....thank you.
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Definitely Miller, there were a number of Westons in the area who were millers.
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It does seem curious not finding a death registration. The death notice being a little late whilst unusual is not uncommon.
You possibly have seen this already - He sold his business in High St, St Anne's Lewes in 1853 to P and T MARTIN.
Tuesday, Oct. 25, 1853
Publication: Sussex Advertiser
Is the sale of property in Chiddingly and Hellingly, (deceased estate of John WESTON) related to your John? eg:
Tuesday, June 13, 1865
Publication: Sussex Advertiser
Yes, I have seen those, thank you. The second I think pertains to a different John Weston who died in 1861.
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Perhaps it's more likely that the death date in the newspaper announcement was completely wrong?
A burial on the 29th May, and a death notice in the newspaper on 3 June sounds reasonable.
The Sussex Advertiser seems to have been published twice weekly, on Tuesdays and Saturdays.
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You don't think it could be Misindexed? There is a John Weston indexed in Kingston 2a 156. Looking at the john croft mentioned as registered ticehurst, their death certificates start 2b
Edit it's not that one as he was 36
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Perhaps it's more likely that the death date in the newspaper announcement was completely wrong?
A burial on the 29th May, and a death notice in the newspaper on 3 June sounds reasonable.
The Sussex Advertiser seems to have been published twice weekly, on Tuesdays and Saturdays.
That is certainly a possibility! I looked at other editions over the next few weeks, didn’t see any “corrections” but that is not entirely unusual.
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In 1841 he and his wife Ann were living at Millhouse, Heathfield
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Is that a second wife Ann? :-\ I am confused (as always!)
There is an administration in 1853 for Ann Weston.
Granted 30 November 1853 to John Weston of Burwash, Miller (and John Brook of Brightling, Tailor)
The Sworn John Weston of Burwash....Miller late the Husband of Ann Weston who died intestate on the 25th day of January 1830
Several images
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/62213/images/62213_314054000109_1263-00374
Burial at Heathfield, 30 Jan 1830
Ann, Wife of John Weston
Abode Burwash
Age 29
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6DMS-FT3
Or are they a different couple?
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In 1841 he and his wife Ann were living at Millhouse, Heathfield
Hi
Is that a second wife Ann? :-\ I am confused (as always!)
There is an administration in 1853 for Ann Weston.
Granted 30 November 1853 to John Weston of Burwash, Miller (and John Brook of Brightling, Tailor)
The Sworn John Weston of Burwash....Miller late the Husband of Ann Weston who died intestate on the 25th day of January 1830
Several images
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/62213/images/62213_314054000109_1263-00374
Burial at Heathfield, 30 Jan 1830
Ann, Wife of John Weston
Abode Burwash
Age 29
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6DMS-FT3
Or are they a different couple?
Well, you are way ahead of me! Haven’t even looked into Ann yet…she might be Ann Paine.
There are several John Westons in the area so it does get confusing.
I am not at home for a few days so don’t have access to my family history programme with notes, etc.
I am visiting family, but later when things are quiet, will have a look using my iPad.
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I think the district now is the East Sussex district, so maybe as I said, you could contact them to see if they have any John Weston's in their original death registers for 1865.
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have you tried contacting the Sussex OPC they may have some ideas
I did try a search there but no luck but sometimes they have knowledge that
someone might be able to help
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I will try that, thanks.
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Hi Diana,
Can you tell me where you found the will for the father of John Weston otherwise Uptain? Also, do you have a transcription?
Regards,
Chris.
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Hi Diana,
Can you tell me where you found the will for the father of John Weston otherwise Uptain? Also, do you have a transcription?
Regards,
Chris.
If you are a subscriber to Ancestry, look under East Sussex Wills.