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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: Bill 4423 on Sunday 25 June 23 10:04 BST (UK)
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I wonder if someone could help with a family relative’s marriage record as I can’t seem to find anything at all.
Ida Jones was born in North Ormesby, Middlesbrough, on 31.10.1912.
She died on 17.12.1997 in Billingham, she was married to Harry Warner.
MMN was Cooper (Mary Rebecca), she had a brother (older I think) Joseph, and a younger sister Rosetta, Half brother Thomas Bird, her father died when she was little and mother re married (Bird)
I only knew her being married to Harry and as far as I know she never had any children, It was mentioned many years ago (although I was a little lad) that there may have been a physical problem as to why she had no family.
I am clumsily piecing together details/dates of the family history, I ordered a copy of her will – mainly because I couldn’t find a definitive date of death etc. I could be way off here but part of the will mentions “raising a share in (the) trust fund of any child or grandchild of mine”
I am interested to see if she had previously married anyone before Harry Warner, and when/ where they (if any) her and also Harry Warner were married.
Many Thanks
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Births Dec qtr 1912
Jones Ida mmn Cooper Middlesbro 9d 1031
Births Mar qtr 1914
JONES Elsie mmn Cooper Middlesbrough 9d 1114
Births Sep qtr 1915
Jones Joseph K mmn Cooper Middlesbro 9d 921
Births Jun qtr 1917
Jones Rosetta mmn Cooper Middlesbro 9d 783
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Marriages Dec 1919 :-\
Bird Thomas (Jones)
Jones Mary R (Bird)
Middlesbro' 9d 1606
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1921 has the family without Elsie living Middlesbrough
Birth Sep qtr 1920
BIRD Thomas W (mmn Cooper)
Middlesbro 9d 1095
ADDED Ida is in Harrow and married in 1939 name altered to Warner after this
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She married John Temperley Sept qtr 1935 Willesden reg district
Here is her 2nd marriage to Harry Warner
Marriages Dec qtr 1953
TEMPERLEY Ida (WARNER )
Warner Harry ( Temperley)
Durham S.E. 1a 121
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Deleted - had possible birth for a child but looking at wrong surname ::)
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I agree.
1939 register has info that confirms :)
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WOW, thanks for those Rosie, lots of things I didnt know (dates etc.)
Do you think this John Temperley died? if she still had his surname.
I have never heard of Elsie so I would imagine she had died young.
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Maybe
Death Mar qtr 1950
Temperley John age 42
Durham S. E. 1a 771
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Probate
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Many thanks for that John (appreciated), absoloutely the correct person as that is an address I have for her and adds to my family tree.
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Your Ida Warner died
Ida Warner
31 Oct 1912 Dec 1997 Stockton Durham
Possibly Harry's death
Harry Warner
10 Feb 1904 May 1999 Stockton Durham
This Harry with same date of birth appears in 1939 war register in Hammersmith and Fulham. His occupation "Water Tube Boiler Erector". Also recorded is he is "Married"
I have found a Harry Warner in 1938 Hammersmith & Fulham in 1938 electoral register but seemingly no wife present. I think by looking at others present on the 1939 register he may have been from "up north" working on an installation of some nature"
If this is your man then it narrows down any possible marriage c1920-1939.
John
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This is speculative.
Found in 1921 a Harry Warner aged 17 years 4 months who's occ is Boiler Maker. With parents Edward & Annie, he was born Preston.
Possible birth
WARNER, HARRY mmn ROWLAND
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 574
Marriage MQ 1938 Preston
John
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This is speculative.
Found in 1921 a Harry Warner aged 17 years 4 months who's occ is Boiler Maker. With parents Edward & Annie, he was born Preston.
Possible birth
WARNER, HARRY mmn ROWLAND
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in PRESTON Volume 08E Page 574
Marriage MQ 1938 Preston
John
Apologies for the very late reply, thanks again John, Almost all of the above tie in with what I have, I had a note for Harry, a possible marriage in 1938 to a Linda M Thomas in Preston
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV8N-4R5M
Although I couldn’t find a death for her I would be suprised if harry had divorced!
I remember (although I was young lad) Ida and Harry were very kind people and every (older) relative commented on what a gentleman Harry was, I was told they both worked at ICI in Billingham, they had no children which makes finding information on them harder, I would like to document their history if possible.
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I think that you may find the people named in that 1938 Preston marriage on the 1939 register in Preston. That Harrys wife died in 1921 (Alice Breakel) they had a son a year earlier who is living with a Harry and Linda Warner in 1939
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On the notes I had was Linda M Thomas and a Jane Breakell, I'm not saying either are my Harry wife and I can'tremeber how I came across that information now.
Unfortunately I'm not very good at this and I don't have a sub to any of the pay sites at the moment, I do appreciate everyones help
Added - I do know Harry was born
10.2.1904 died 10.5.1999.
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The Harry married to Jane and Linda was older than your Harry
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Interesting. There are 2 1939 war register entries for Harry Warner born 10.2.1904. One record of birth date is crossed out and replaced by dob 3.1.1914. There is a birth of a Harry Warner born 5.1.1914 in Guildford Surrey parents George and Annie, he appears with parents and siblings in 1921 census. I am wondering if when records were used by NHS whether there has been a mistake re alterations to the records?
John
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The Jacobs well (Guildford) one appears in the Surrey Advertiser 17 August 1935 following a fatal accident in which he was involved.
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Ida and John Temperley appear in 1939 register on Ancestry transcribed surname Dember??
John
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I think that you may find the people named in that 1938 Preston marriage on the 1939 register in Preston. That Harrys wife died in 1921 (Alice Breakel) they had a son a year earlier who is living with a Harry and Linda Warner in 1939
That Linda died in Preston in 1987. Dob almost the dame as on 1939 - exactly one year out
Interesting. There are 2 1939 war register entries for Harry Warner born 10.2.1904. One record of birth date is crossed out and replaced by dob 3.1.1914. There is a birth of a Harry Warner born 5.1.1914 in Guildford Surrey parents George and Annie, he appears with parents and siblings in 1921 census. I am wondering if when records were used by NHS whether there has been a mistake re alterations to the records?
John
I think it is an error - the entry with the correct dob has been crossed through and you're redirected to a later page where the entry's been reproduced with only his details opened. Same address, occupation etc - dob not amended this time
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I have had time to revisit this, would someone be able to help/advise further please as I am getting nowhere and a little confused.
With all the help from my original post, I have Ida’s marriage history.
I am trying to conclude Harry’s, from this thread it would seem he was married prior to his marriage to Ida?
Trying to fathom Harrys early history I am confused by this https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X49H-8MQ (Referencing to post 12?). IF this is the correct Harry Warner?
I know nothing of Harry’s early life, I am now intrigued by it.