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Looking for information on my paternal line. Apparently, a "Jas" James McClelland owned a forge on the Mall by O'hagans Bridge in Newry. He died suddenly whilst working there in 1916. It was a Robert McClelland that owned a forge on Hill street and moved to the Mall some years prior so I assume its the same one as the address lines up. I'm trying to see if Robert was James father. I cannot find anything on Robert regarding age only that his name appears time and time again in the newspaper archives. Just not any useful information regarding birth or death.
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Possibly this is your James in the 1911 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Newry_South/Mill_Street/256988/
He married Catherine Costello. His father was named John:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/10989/8018062.pdf
James would have been born around 1861 so before the start of statutory birth registration. I looked for a death in 1916 but did not find one. How sure are you about that?
Here’s a death for one of James children in 1915:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05268/4462277.pdf
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Death in 1916:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05255/4457344.pdf
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Belfast Newsletter Tuesday 14 March 1916
SUDDEN DEATH IN NEWRY
“Yesterday afternoon a blacksmith named Jas McClelland of Mill St, Newry died suddenly when engaged in shoeing a horse at his forge on the Mall. Deceased has 3 sons serving in France.”
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Thankyou folks. all the information posted is indeed the right family. James indeed married Catherine Costello and that marriage cert was a great help. Not only did you confirm his father being John but you confirmed he was living in Highstreet and reaffirmed that he was indeed a blacksmith which I was sure of. My father grew up in highstreet so to know the family has had a presence around that area for much longer makes sense. I just didn't believe it because, for a generation or two, they moved into the heart of the town.
I had already come to the conclusion that John may have been his fathers name but there was two conflicting wives that where throwing me off. one with the surname Peden and the other McFarland. One thing that is intersting is whilst James McClelland is spelt as such his fathers surname is spelt McLelland. This could be a clue as a Y dna match i have spells his surname McLellan though our family diverges around the 1760s based on the calcualtions of familytreedna
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A Robert McClelland, Farrier, from Water St, died 1895, age 36
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05945/4689231.pdf
He married a Mary McAteer, 1882. His father was Robert also, Horseshoer, High St , Newry
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10974/8011697.pdf
James' witnesses at his wedding were Robert McClelland & Mary McAteer
Looks like they were either brothers or cousins
Robert McClelland Sr, Farrier, died 1883, 24 High St, Newry.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06368/4827284.pdf
The witness at Robert's wedding was a William McClelland, his brother, born 1865, High St, Newry. Parents Robert, Horseshoer, & Ann McClure.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03566/2313848.pdf
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Amazing find. Thankyou again. It would seem like they are cousins. James' Father was John, Roberts's father was Robert and both likely shared the same grandfather another Robert and with ages of deaths and whatnot i should be able to align dates and research further in newspapers.
thankyou again.
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Robert McClelland Sr, Horseshoer, of 34 Water St, married Ann McClure, 1846, in Registrars office. Father listed as Samuel McClelland, Shoe Maker.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1846/09315/5373374.pdf
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Ann McClelland, died, High St, Newry, 1872, age 46
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1872/020730/7273064.pdf
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There is a death of a John McClelland, Labourer, age 76, in 1896. His nephew, Robert McClelland, present at death. Could it be James' father?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05902/4674793.pdf
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Any idea of who John married. I cant find a record for it. I have a Margaret ann peden through ancestry but not sure if correct,
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Found a daughter, Mary, born 1865, High St, Newry. Parents, John McClelland & Margaret Peden.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03566/2313843.pdf
A son, John, born 1867, High St Newry. same parents as above.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03502/2287345.pdf
I think this family are on 1901 census. In terms of ages, it is possibly John's family. James was 38 on 1901 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Newry_North_Urban/High_Street/1247191/
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Going back to Robert McClelland & Ann McClure. They had a son, Hugh, born 1870, High St. & a daughter, Elizabeth, born, 1868, High St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03327/2219768.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03446/2265232.pdf
John McClelland & Margaret Ann had a son, Robert, born, 1869, High St.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03388/2242393.pdf
Margaret Ann died 1906, Boat St, Newry
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05557/4559609.pdf
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Funny enough I was just filling in Hugh on my ancestry tree. He migrated to America and was looking to drill for oil. He ended up in New York. I found newspaper clippings supporting as such. He died in 1829
I will add in Elizabeth and Robert.
Here's my tree thus far.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/181707627/family?cfpid=432361337236
Im having some trouble. I have a DNA match who i'm struggling to see where they match in.
They are from england but their oldest known ancestor was a Patrick McClelland born 1857 who married a Catherine Garvey. They state Patrick was born on Pound Street which is in the High Street area so it does add up that they would be related somewhere.
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John & Margaret Ann's son, Joseph, died in 1918, from a fractured skull after falling from a float he was driving.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05182/4430923.pdf
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Patrick McClelland & his family in 1901, He is a Horseshoer.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000757169/
If he was born 1857, he is unlikely to be John's son but possibly Robert's
1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002275539/