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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: brigidmac on Wednesday 21 June 23 06:59 BST (UK)
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Frederick CHAPLIN esquire justice of peace B. 1803 -1863 lived at Tetherhill Hall in 1861
Oops misremembered name will correct posts
His son William Chaplin 1836- 1888 also JP was listed of # Tathwell Hall in a newspaper announcing his death .does that mean that the family owned the hall
A century earlier Sir John CHAPLIN 1711-1730 lived there .
Apparently he was the last baronet in the line having no male heirs but a daughter Ann B 1730
I presume the families are connected and would like to join the dots.
Ancestry tree suggests a father for Frederick as being the reverend William James CHAPLIN but I can't find documentation
Thanks in advance ...any help welcome
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These are the Chaplins of Tathwell Hall near Louth, aren’t they?
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It is Tathwell Hall near Louth. Frederick was baptised in nearby South Elkington in 1803, son of Wm and Isabella. William, clerk, 24, of Tathwell, Lincs., married Isabella Frances Sutton of Southwell, Notts., 21, in Southwell in 1799, by licence. He was presumably a clerk in holy orders.
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Thank you
yes it's near Louth
That takes me a generation back I'd like to see these records .I didn't find on ancestry
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There is an 1836 death duty record of wills of Rev William Chaplin and Rev Charles Chaplin, executor of both was Richard Chaplin of Tathwell.
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The records I found are on FindMyPast, but the parish records are transcripts, not originals.
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rev william chaplin had a daughter called bettina mary who married reverend Basil Beridge
Isabelle Suttons father was Sir Sutton
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FreeREG has the bapt of FREDERIC 1803
Parents Rev Willm and Isabella Frances Chaplin
Abode Thorpe Hall**
His Burial is there also 1863
William/Isabella Frances bapt 8 children 1799-1812 South Elkington
He is Rev William on entries.
William (Rev) CHAPLIN was buried 18 Dec 1835 St Verdast, Tathwell
Age 70
So likely bapt 14 Apr 1765 Tathwell to CHARLES/ELIZABETH
Trish :)
EDIT Anc has a Marriage for CHARLES Chaplin of Blankney, Lincs to Elizabeth THORNTON
14 Apr 1755 St George, Hanover Square, London
+ a Will for Charles Chaplin, Esq of Tathwell probate 23 May 1795
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FindMyPast Burials (transcript only)
William Chaplin, bur 18 Dec 1835, age 70, Tathwell, Church St Vedant
Clergy Database
https://theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp
Search fields appear populated "Chaplin William" - if so hit search.
EDIT - no longer populated. So, just search for Chaplin William - shd return 3 results.
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FindMyPast Baptisms (image/transcript)
Baptised 1765 14 April, Will'm son of Charles Esq. and Eliz'th Chaplin, place - Tathwell
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On 25 Mar 1767 a Charles Chaplin, Esq of Tathwell was appointed Commissioner with 3 others to divide the estate of Edward Ayscoghe into 4 equal parts for Edward's 4 daughters.
The Parliamentary publication is dated 1765 yet quotes Charles appointment as 1767 - odd.
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3 Burials Notts;
Averham, St. Michael and All Angels, Nottinghamshire
1824
Jan 13...Margaret SUTTON, Wife of the late Sir Richard of Norwood Park, age 86
July 8th...Isabella Frances CHAPLIN, of Thorpe Hall, Daug of the late Sir Richard Sutton, age 50
Sept 7th... Robert CHAPLIN, Son of Rev Robert Chaplin, age 28, abode Aversham
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I'm going to have to get my head round Charles CHAPLIN will. it's 3 pages long
I think Rev* Robert is his grandson ...son of rev William
Charles Chaplin was son of Thomas + Diana I found baptism 24 aug 1730 Blankley Linc's.
His wife's surname was Thoroton her baptism was on ancestry too
Thanks for all the leads to follow the list of reverends .. will keep me busy there are a lot in this family
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Good luck with it all esp the Will which due to eye problem had no luck in reading properly :)
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A century earlier Sir John CHAPLIN 1711-1730 lived there .
Apparently he was the last baronet in the line having no male heirs but a daughter Ann B 1730
FindMyPast Baptism (transcript only)
"Ann Chaplin, bap 28 Jan 1730 (old calendar), Westminster, father John Chaplin, mother Elizabeth Morris, paternal grand father Porter Chaplin, paternal grandmother Ann Sherwin, maternal grandfather William Morris
"Reports and Cases of Practice in the Court of Common Pleas" - printed 1742
Ascough & al versus Lady Chaplin
Borret
A Writ of Ventre inspiciendo returnable Tres. Mich. on behalf of Edward Ascough, Esq and Elizabeth his wife, Ann Chaplin, Spinster, Charles Fitzwilliam and Frances his wife, Co-heirs of Sir John Chaplin, Bart., their Brother, against Dame Elizabeth Chaplin, widow of the said Sir John; the Writ was returned that the Lady was with Child, and a motion made for the late Custody of her until her delivery; it was suggested that the Lady's Mother was likewise with Child, and therefore neither she nor any other woman with Child were proper Persons to be with her; the Court agreed that such a Clause should be inserted in the Writ, and Ladies were named on the Part of the Prosecutors or heiresses to attend the Lady during her Pregnancy and till her Delivery, but they must not name any Spinster, and the Mother was allowed to visit only".
Cannot find a birth/baptism for parents John and Elizabeth other than Ann, 1730 and a marriage between John Chaplin and Elizabeth Morris, 26 Mar 1730, New Windsor, Berks.
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First part of Charles of Tathwell testament written 19 Jun 1792
Is about his manor of 2 estates in Lincoln which I can't read #Risholme + #Grange de Lings
I won't attempt every word but gist is
"Limited to the list of all and every child +Children of me the said Charles on the body of late wife Elizabeth"
Is that a way of preventing illegitimate children from claiming ?
He talks about giving power of authority but don't know who to
Estate of Risholme + grange de lings 2 equal payments 24 June + 25 Dec
£120 to son George annuity
I.ll try + post a clip
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He goes on to mention daughters Charlotte & Sophia to get 6 monthly payments.
I don't know what the phrase after is but I think it means their descendants
+ Use of his estates to dear son Thomas + lines lawfully begotten
He makes exception of son Charles who has been amply provided for by ?ll Walls?
The last paragraph is about seniority + priority of birth
I think daughter+ daughters will be included by default of male heirs
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Page 2 is about properties including villagers cottages
and the Testament of the late Joseph WALLIS
of Boothby
Also mentioned are dear nephew ? Charles CHAPLIN. Of #Blankley
& Esquire Thomas +Manners SUTTON of ? Who may be a chaplin
Funeral payments
£10 to Mary Dover
+ Annuity of £10
PAGE 3
payments to various servants
£1000 in trust to sons William + Edward
Another estate to be sold
HELP with names of estates please
Oh no tnere are more pages
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First part of Charles of Tathwell lincol testament written 19 Jun 1792
Is about his manor of 2 estates in Lincoln which I can't read T...sholme ? + Grange ??Li?go
Riseholme, a parish a little to the north of Lincoln
Grange de Lings, a hamlet in the parish of Riseholme
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Thanks ArthurK
Riseholm is legible now you've found it .
+ Despite all posts I've only just realised I'd misspelt Tathwell so have corrected the title now
Part 4
He requests that trustees don't sell or dispose plate or household furniture at Tathwell
So long as daughters shall be permitted to live there
There is a codicil
Written 6 Jun 1793 + another page
I've skimmed thru + found another son Harris who has been promoted in army but is very amply provided for in will of my late deceased ? brother ?.?.
Blackbourne
* Could be a brother in law
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I’m sure that nephew Charles will be ‘of Blankney’. The Chaplins were referred to as ‘of Blankney and Tathwell’ in the 19th century.
Will look at the Will in more detail later, if it’s needed.
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Reply 14
Thanks for information about Sir John
+ Baby Ann
That must have been a headache as it was being disputed 14 years after her birth.
I will try and work out those relationships
My brother in law has a DNA match who traces
Line back to Ann Chaplin marrying Arthur GREGORY & having 10 children
I suppose she would have lost any inheritance in favour of any relatives living at time of her will
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LLi any help gratefully received do you have access to the originals on ancestry?
I'm following several Chaplin lines after working on a different random mystery .
Transcribing is hard work ..some of the phrases are amusing..Charles comes across as preaching but I suppose if they'd had a huge court case in past its understandable that he should sound repetitive.
His wording would allow for a child as yet unborn to inherit.
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Reply 14
Thanks for information about Sir John
+ Baby Ann
That must have been a headache as it was being disputed 14 years after her birth.
Not sure what you mean by "14 years after her birth"?
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Yes, it’s hard work and lots of individuals related to one another!
Like you, I was surprised at the wording of a child unyet unborn who could inherit. His late wife Elizabeth is (I think) the mother of the children he mentions. She was the sister of Levett Blackbourne (mentioned in the section about his daughters, although there are two Mr Blackbournes discussed there). Levett’s will also includes substantial legacies to his nephew, Charles and Elizabeth’s son Francis Chaplin. It’s in the same collection of PCC wills.
His son Charles appears to have been provided for by a Mr. Wells.
I have also skimmed rather, but the estates he mentions are in the parishes of Saltfleetby, Burgh in the Marsh, Wrangle and Skirbeck. All are to be sold, but Charles Chaplin of Blankney, (Chaplin = Chaplain?) Thomas Manners Sutton of Lincolns Inn and Thomas Chaplin will receive the personal estate associated with these four real estates, once some smaller legacies are paid. The references to estates on p3 look as if they’re referring back to the estates “hereintofor directed to be sold as aforesaid”.
Is the family mentioned in Burke’s Peerage?
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the court case was published 1742
i thought that was the date of its resolution
anyway it was actually 12 not 14 years after Ann was born sorry to confuse you
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The volume was printed in 1742 - the contents/cases relate to earlier times. The Writ in question was issued when Elizabeth claimed to be pregnant and the would be heirs, in the absence of a child born to John/Elizabeth, wanted to ensure there was no skulduggery.
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ive been adding people to the tree
the levett + blackbourne connections add other people of prominence
ive not looked at peer list yet but have looked into all the CHAPLIN Reverends + lists of Oxford + cambridge community .
Veered off a bit from original quesion about how young Sir John CHAPLIN of Tathwell Hall links to the later generations but surely only a generation away now .
some of these leads are connected to my neck of the woods
Levett Blackburne was married to illegitimate daughter of the lord of Rutland !
+ there was a CHAPLIN family at Brooksby hall in Leicestershire
thanks for all the help today
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Can someone tell me what this expression. Is
It comes after
" My daughters + their....
Looks like " soins & apogies".
Followed by
"Over to ...?
This sentence occurs frequently after named people in Charles testament
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It says "heirs and assigns for ever".
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Chaplin of Tathwell and Blankney caught my attention as they are allegedly descendents of the Chaplin family of Action and Semer in Suffolk which goes back to mid 1500s in that area. I say allegedly as I've not had the chance to confirm all the research that far forward.
There is a 3 volume set of books called Suffolk Manorial Families by Joseph James Muskett which includes pedigrees (with Will extracts) of a number of the various Chaplin families in Suffolk. It is a very common name in the west of the county and not all can be connected together.
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According to Suffolk Manorial Families Thomas Chaplin of Blankney who died in 1748 was the son of John Chaplin of Tathwell and his second wife Frances Archer (the widow of Francis Rous of Rous Lench). Frances apparently left a PCC Will proven in 1719. Suffolk Manorial Families says to check Burkes Peerage for Thomas' descendants.
John Chaplin of Tathwell born 1657 was the son of Sir Francis Chaplin knight, citizen and clothmaker of the City of London and his wife Anne Hutt. Francis left a Will proven 1680 and Anne's was proven in 1692.
Francis Chaplin was the son of Robert Chaplin of Bury St Edmunds, woollen draper, whose Archdeaconry of Sudbury Will was proven Feb 1643/4. His wife was Elizabeth Asty and they married 1627 at Bury St Mary.
Robert was baptised at Semer, Suffolk, in 1602, his mother it appears died in or just after childbirth. Robert's parents being William Chaplin of Semer and his first wife Agnes Holborough who married at Bulmer, Essex, in 1581. William died in 1629 and left a PCC Will, in which he mentons three siblings Thomas Chaplin, Joan Ballard and Clement Chaplin. My interest in that Chaplin family is with Clement Chaplin of Action, Suffolk, Wiliam's brother.
As I said I've not confirmed all of this information, only for now to William Chaplin and his wives Agnes and Anne. The pedigree suggests he left a Will when he died in 1629 but I've no record of that one.
Hope this helps. Obviously needs some checking. ;D The Chaplins in Suffolk can be very confusing with similarly named children and in neighbouring parishes. I have seen a few inaccurate family trees about because people haven't checked Wills and parish register entries accurately. ::) I await the parish registers finally appearing on Ancestry in probably a couple of years.
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The pedigree is accessible here - https://archive.org/details/suffolkmanorialf31john/page/112/mode/2up - pages 102-120. Just found it as I have a photocopy of the relevant pages.
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Heirs and assigns
I.ll remember that one
Thanks for the link to Suffolk manors
"According to Suffolk Manorial Families Thomas Chaplin of Blankney who died in 1748 was the son of John Chaplin of Tathwell and his second wife Frances Archer (the widow of Francis Rous of Rous Lench). Frances apparently left a PCC Will proven in 1719. Suffolk Manorial Families says to check Burkes Peerage for Thomas' descendants.
"John Chaplin of Tathwell born 1657 was the son of Sir Francis Chaplin knight, citizen and clothmaker of the City of London and his wife Anne Hutt. Francis left a Will proven 1680 and Anne's was proven in 1692."
That's the bit i.ll work on for now.
Is this Thomas d1748
The father of Charles Chaplin b1730 of Tathwell & his brother Thomas b1725. ?
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Couple of Chaplins to work your way thru' -
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/search/node/chaplin
Edit - at bottom of screen see "Abbreviations" for explanation.
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Confirmation that Tathwell Hall passed from young .baronet sir John Chaplin to his uncle Thomas Chaplin of Blankney
Found in will of the latter 1748
What is the word between "Tathwell Hall lately ...to me "
Does he mean he incurred debts from this ?
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Here's a picture of Tathwell Hall
I'm interested that the uncle could acquire the property but not the title of Baron .btw does young Sir John's title 2nd Bart mean that only 1 person had held the title before presumbly his grandfather the Knight of Tatherwall
Sir John father of Proctor Chaplin
I had to read through the topic again to find the names of young Sir John's married sisters
Which explained some relationships mentioned in various wills Charles FITZWILLIAM m + Frances
+ Edward Ascough esq m Ann
Does that make her Lady Ann?.
It's the first time I've researched titled people
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Proctor * sorry
Porter CHAPLINs 1720 Will + Testament is much easier to read .
He leaves jewellery plate furniture + a coach with 6 horses along with £1000 and various properties to be held in trust for his 8 year old son til he married or reached 21.
He also left things in trust to his 3 daughters .
We.d come across Ann + Francis before but Elizabeth is one to add to tree
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I thought it was Porter Chaplin?
Daughter Elizabeth makes an appearance at reply #14.
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Yes, I agree the will states Porter.
Daughter Elizabeth later married Edward Ayscough (of Louth). Ann is unmarried at the time of the Will, and presumably of the Writ.
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Double oops I need to alter tree
+ Be double check what I post ..I type without looking at screen and sometimes mi mistypes or autocorrects .
* I hope all the.children were all unmarried at time of the will 1719
The eldest was 11 .
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The other part of CHAPLINs of TATHWELL mystery
The daughter Ann who was born
after her father died was actually born Jan 1731 her father died may 1730 so the pregnancy would not have been known til later
* .deleted incorrect information the image is also incorrect person but related
Anne's husband was Arthur GREGORY
2 children's baptisms are on the same page anne GREGORY in Jan 1751
+ Arthur Chaplin GREGORY in 1752
To Arthur + Ann GREGORY
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Sir John CHAPLIN 2nd bt will is on ancestry but in Latin
Is there anyone who can glean the essentials from it ?
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Following on from my reply on your other thread, but put here since it refers to the Chaplins.
Robert Chaplin MP for Grimsby was created a baronet on 19 Sept 1715 with remainder to his nephew Porter Chaplin. Robert was the first baronet of the Inner Temple, London. He was the son of Sir Francis Chaplin Lord Mayor of London 1677-78. He was succeeded according to the special remainder by his great-nephew, John Chaplin, the son of the Porter Chaplin, who had died in 1719. The title became extinct on John's death in 1730. So there were only ever two Chaplin Baronets of Inner Temple.
Nell
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In his will (it is in English), John leaves everything to his wife Elizabeth and she is the sole executrix.
Nell
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Dame Elizabeth Chaplin who married Charles Gregory is strictly speaking given the wrong title - she should have been Lady.
However, as I said before in times past, it was not as fixed as it is now. I have the widow of a knight who died in the 16th century who was referred to as Dame Elizabeth - strictly speaking she was Lady. Another in the mid 17th century, also referred to as Dame. Perhaps it comes from the custom of listing them in the will calendars in Latin? Dominus for the knight, title Sir and Domina for the knight's wife, interpreted as Dame, (instead of Lady) which is probably a contraction of Domina. Some clerks grasp of Latin was better than others.
Nell
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I think Brigidmac was looking at a second Will in Latin contained in PROB11/641 (the Will in English Nell refers to is in PROB11/640). It mentions John’s sisters but I have only glanced at it. There must be some reason for the two documents and maybe this has a connection to the later writ. My legal understanding (and legal Latin) is not good enough to give a reliable interpretation I’m afraid.
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could lady Ann have inherited the title Dame from her mother ?@ Not relevant now as this is wrong person
i posted a general topic about nobility + titles on the common room forum
Am gradually getting an understanding of these terms
the will i wanted to have an idea about was for young john johannis Chaplin d 1730
its quite short but in latin really hard to decipher any names ..if he left everything to his wife
+didnt mention his sisters at all
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I have had a further look at the document in Latin. It’s some sort of legal pronouncement on John’s will delivered by John Bettesworth, Dean and Master of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. It mentions Elizabeth, young John’s wife (Domina Elizabetha Chaplin), who is a minor, with John Morris (her father?) acting as her guardian. It also mentions young John’s three sisters.
I’m afraid my Latin isn’t up to the details of what the Court is specifying should happen. This may be the probate, but as it’s separate from the Will and quite lengthy perhaps it has a different function. You would need to post a link so someone with a legal background could have a look at the document.
Edit: the document is described as the sentence on probate lawsuit in the National Archives catalogue.
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The daughter Ann who was born
after her father died was actually born Jan 1731 her father died may 1730 so the pregnancy would not have been known til later
She
had the title DAME.when she married in 30 April 1750
But may have inherited title from her mother.
Her husband Charles is Esq. The surname is GREGORY
Can't read the word after his first name
The marriage you’ve posted the screenshot of in 1750 is between Dame ELIZABETH Chaplin and Charles Gregory Wade esq. John’s widow remarried 20 years after his death. Of course ‘your’ Ann may have married a Gregory too.
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It appears that Ann married Arthur Gregory at Oxford Chapel, Vere Street, London 3 Mar 1749. There is reference to a marriage settlement.
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So the page of that record is correct I've just been sorting it out on tree
Ann's children Ann + Arthur were baptised
Could Dame Elizabeth in fact be Ann s mother widow of Porter CHAPLIN
# correction
Widow of young Sir John
* Ann' 1730s mother was Elizabeth MORRIS Chaplin.widow of young Sir John
Unknown birth date but still "a minor" in 1730
I think all women were minors til age 30
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Porter Chaplin's wife was Ann Sherwin
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There’s a 1728 Will for Ann Chaplin widow of Tathwell. That might sort out some of the earlier relationships. If you look in the National Archives catalogue the litigation went on for years so perhaps it was only when Ann married that Elizabeth herself was able to remarry ‘without prejudice’ to her daughter.
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Ann Sherwyn/Chaplin died insolvent.
William Peere Williams' 1787 "Cases argued and determined in the Court of Chancery."
Porter Chaplin left a bit of a mess it appears.
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The 1728 will is for Ann Sherwin wife of porter
Elizabeth Morris was still alive when her son *in law young Sir John CHAPLIN died in 1730
It's a lot to look through
Thanks I'll + henes for helping me unravel this lot
Was sent this which has some helpful details
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In an earlier post I directed you to The History of Parliament - a very good source..
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Thanks Hanes...
I ve been deluged looking at wills ...still haven't gone thru them all.!
I looked at the Latin document and Ills right I can make out the names including Tathwell and there are no sums of money in it . John Morris would be young Sir John's father in law ( the as yet unborn? ) baby Ann's grandfather
I will definitely use the parliament lists later .
Little Nell I still haven't found young Sir John's will in English .thanks for the information.
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John Morris would be young Sir John's father in law ( the as yet unborn? ) baby Ann's grandfather
Have you read post #14 - which identifies paternal grandparents and maternal grandfather?
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the will i wanted to have an idea about was for young john johannis Chaplin d 1730
its quite short but in latin really hard to decipher any names ..if he left everything to his wife
+didnt mention his sisters at all
This is the original Will, even shorter than the Latin "Sentence" which you found - https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sen/. There were obviously issues with the Will, hence the later Latin Sentence.