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I am happy to obleige to solve some brickwalls. I have experience as I stumbled across many brickwalls myself, such as Denmark, Germany, France, England, Ireland, Scotland, Austria, Canada, United States, and Poland.
If I cannot solve them, I will provide you with as much information as posible.
Hello HistoricalGenealogy
Thats very kind. I have Philip Mortimer that I haven't been able to progress for a number of years. He travelled around the UK with the Pembroke Milita:
Philip Mortimer
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Born:
Christened:
Died:
Buried:
Marriage: 28 Feb 1796 Place: Aylsham, Norfolk, England Residence: Royal Pembroke Militia
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Wife: Ann Fitt
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Born:
Christened: 9 Aug 1773 - Great Hautbois, Norfolk, England
Died:
Buried:
Father: James Fitt (1744- )
Mother: Amey Clarke ( - )
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Children
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1 M James Mortimer
Born: 1800 - Plymouth, Devon
Christened: 24 Aug 1800 - St Andrews, Plymouth
Died: 9 Mar 1873 - Keynsham, Gloucestershire
Buried: 16 Mar 1873 - Oldland, St Anne, Gloucestershire, England
Spouse: Mary Loveless (1810-1890)
Marr. Date: 31 Aug 1834 - Bitton, Gloucester, England
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I can see why he is a brickwall!
Maybe a earlier generation?
PHILLIP Mortimer buried 18 May 1815, St Dogvael, St Dogwells, Pembrokeshire
Age 78
Abode St Dogwells Village
(FreeREG)
Trish :)
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I can see why he is a brickwall!
Maybe a earlier generation?
PHILLIP Mortimer buried 18 May 1815, St Dogvael, St Dogwells, Pembrokeshire
Age 78
Abode St Dogwells Village
(FreeREG)
Trish :)
Tell me about it! ;D Could be, thank you Trish. I do know he stepped in for someone else in St Davids to join the Pembroke Milita. I have posted before on RootsChat as I wondered if he wnet to Ireland with the Pembroke Militia: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=855562.0
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Thought I'd add where the Pembroke Milita were and in italics for items I know Philip was present:
1795 - Norfolk for the flour riots
[1796 - Philip marries in Norfolk]
1797 - Languard Fort. Philip is mentioned in newspaper report for the Kings visit
1798 May to Oct - Ireland
00 - Based in Plymouth. Philips son christened in Plymouth
02 - Haverfordwest for the visit of Lord Nelson. Band of the Pembroke Militia
02 - Disembodied
03 - Languard Fort
04 - Colchester
06 - Maldon
07 - Peterborough & Portsmouth
08 - Hythe & Bristol
09 - Dungness
10 - Rye & Bristol
11 to 13 - Ballinasloe (Ireland)
13 Dublin & Liverpool
14 Bristol & Haverfordwest
He could have been anywhere & everywhere! :'(
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When his banns were called in Aylsham the next entry was for a James John who was also a Private in the Royal Pembroke Militia. His banns were called on the same days as Philip's though he married days after Philip.
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Do you have Philip or Ann on Census. Where was son James in 1841/51
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Do you have Philip or Ann on Census. Where was son James in 1841/51
I dont have Philip on any census. As the Pembroke Militia was in Ireland, I wondered if he was the Philip Mortimer that soemone else was looking for (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=484300.msg3427102) who is on the 1841 in Glasgow having arrived from Roscommon in Ireland.
I cant find Ann either. James is on the 1841:
Name James Mortimer
Age 35
Estimated Birth Year abt 1806
Gender Male
Civil parish Bitton
Hundred Langley and Swinehead (Upper Division)
County/Island Gloucestershire
Country England
Registration district Keynsham
Sub-registration district Bitton
Piece 361
Book 14
Folio 55
Page number 13
And 1851:
Name James Mortimer
Age 47
Estimated Birth Year abt 1804
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Mary Mortimer
Gender Male
Where born Plymoth, Devon, England
Civil parish Bitton
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island Gloucestershire
Country England
Registration district Keynsham
Sub-registration district Bitton
ED, institution, or vessel 3c
Household schedule number 72
Piece 1944
Folio 61
Page number 16
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Thank you for the census info. I had wondered if the Ann Mortimer in Bristol 1851 was Philips wife but birth place is wrong
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Looked at the surname Fitt and came across a burial in Great Hautbois 29 Nov 1792 for a James Fitt and there was a will which I managed to find
Referenced as ANW, will register, 1792-1793, (1792) fo. 147, no. 108
Just need to sign into familysearch to access the record for free
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01se8/
He leaves everything to wife Amy
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FindMyPast marriages (image/transcript) -
A Philip Mortimer, abode Uzmaston, married a Margaret Evans at St Martins, Haverfordwest on 23 Jun 1768.
FindMyPast Baptism (image/transcript)
Given name - illegible, son of Philip Mortimer, was baptised 27 Oct 1771, place Steynton, mother not named
Also a George Mortimore, bap 4 Jun 1769, Steynton
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Thank you for the census info. I had wondered if the Ann Mortimer in Bristol 1851 was Philips wife but birth place is wrong
Thanks for looking Rosie. I also came across an Ann Mortimer buried in Bristol in 1799. Which might explain why I can't find any siblings for James. Though can't do much with the info as Philip moved around so much.
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Looked at the surname Fitt and came across a burial in Great Hautbois 29 Nov 1792 for a James Fitt and there was a will which I managed to find
Referenced as ANW, will register, 1792-1793, (1792) fo. 147, no. 108
Just need to sign into familysearch to access the record for free
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01se8/
He leaves everything to wife Amy
Thank you so much for that. I hadn't come across. I'll have to see if I can a will for Amy.
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Hmm, it has been suggested (on Anc.) that I have the wrong James Mortimer. I had assumed I was correct because James dies in 1873 at the age of 73. Others have suggested James is:
Name James Weeks Mortimer
Event Type Baptism
Birth Date 16 Nov 1804
Baptism Date 13 Jan 1805
Baptism Place Plymouth, Devon, England
Denomination Presbyterian
Father William Mortimer
Mother Jane Mortimer
Which would line up on some census but not the death. Nor in 1819 when he runs away from his Master (hatter) and is caught aged 20. ??? :-\
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Thought I'd add where the Pembroke Milita were and in italics for items I know Philip was present:
1795 - Norfolk for the flour riots
[1796 - Philip marries in Norfolk]
1797 - Languard Fort. Philip is mentioned in newspaper report for the Kings visit
1798 May to Oct - Ireland
00 - Based in Plymouth. Philips son christened in Plymouth
02 - Haverfordwest for the visit of Lord Nelson. Band of the Pembroke Militia
02 - Disembodied
03 - Languard Fort
04 - Colchester
06 - Maldon
07 - Peterborough & Portsmouth
08 - Hythe & Bristol
09 - Dungness
10 - Rye & Bristol
11 to 13 - Ballinasloe (Ireland)
13 Dublin & Liverpool
14 Bristol & Haverfordwest
He could have been anywhere & everywhere! :'(
Hello Sikes. I have read with great interest this post, as well as others you have made on this website, about your ancestor and the (Royal) Pembrokeshire Militia. My 5th great-grandfather, John Parry, was in the Royal Pembrokeshire Militia and married a Wells-next-the-Sea (Norfolk) woman in May 1796, very likely meeting when the militia was posted there following the flour riots in the town. I've been trying to find out where in Wales he has born--I know his date of birth to be circa 1774--or even just more on his military career. His occupation is still given as "solider" on the baptism record of his last child in 1813. Incidentally, to the best of my knowledge, all of his children were baptised in Wells-next-the-Sea.
I hope to look through the muster rolls in WO13 at the National Archives in Kew at some point. I was intrigued to read that your ancestor was mentioned in a newspaper article in 1797 about the King's visit to Landguard Fort. Do you remember the newspaper (and date) said article appeared in, as I would be very interested to read it?
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Newspaper item (col. 3) -
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3063490/3063492/17/%22philip%20mortimer%22
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Newspaper item (col. 3) -
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3063490/3063492/17/%22philip%20mortimer%22
Brilliant! Thank you very much!
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You're welcome and, secondly, a belated welcome to Rootshat.
I remember the frustration surrounding the 1771 baptism, father Philip Mortimer, son's given name illegible. I recall checking if the Bishops' Transcripts for Steynton at the LGC might provide the answer. Unfortunately, the Bishop's Transcripts only date from post 1771. Another instance of "s**'s law kicking in!
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Thought I'd add where the Pembroke Milita were and in italics for items I know Philip was present:
1795 - Norfolk for the flour riots
[1796 - Philip marries in Norfolk]
1797 - Languard Fort. Philip is mentioned in newspaper report for the Kings visit
1798 May to Oct - Ireland
00 - Based in Plymouth. Philips son christened in Plymouth
02 - Haverfordwest for the visit of Lord Nelson. Band of the Pembroke Militia
02 - Disembodied
03 - Languard Fort
04 - Colchester
06 - Maldon
07 - Peterborough & Portsmouth
08 - Hythe & Bristol
09 - Dungness
10 - Rye & Bristol
11 to 13 - Ballinasloe (Ireland)
13 Dublin & Liverpool
14 Bristol & Haverfordwest
He could have been anywhere & everywhere! :'(
Hello Sikes. I have read with great interest this post, as well as others you have made on this website, about your ancestor and the (Royal) Pembrokeshire Militia. My 5th great-grandfather, John Parry, was in the Royal Pembrokeshire Militia and married a Wells-next-the-Sea (Norfolk) woman in May 1796, very likely meeting when the militia was posted there following the flour riots in the town. I've been trying to find out where in Wales he has born--I know his date of birth to be circa 1774--or even just more on his military career. His occupation is still given as "solider" on the baptism record of his last child in 1813. Incidentally, to the best of my knowledge, all of his children were baptised in Wells-next-the-Sea.
I hope to look through the muster rolls in WO13 at the National Archives in Kew at some point. I was intrigued to read that your ancestor was mentioned in a newspaper article in 1797 about the King's visit to Landguard Fort. Do you remember the newspaper (and date) said article appeared in, as I would be very interested to read it?
Hi qccka3849, not easy to trace are they :)
I think that WO 68/74 (https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4428777) at the National Archives contained lots of information when trying to find when Philip was present.
I have extra years and locations for the above, which may be of use to you:
1792 - Pemb Militia reformed
1793 - Marched Hereford to Worcester
1795 - Holt and Warham in Norfolk
1805 - Colchester
And:
- Exeter Flying Post, 22 May 1800: Pembroke Milita to be reduced to 172 rank and file
- [Forgot to write down publication]16 Dec 1802 - Haverfordwest: Lord Nelson visited Haverfordwest. Band of the Pembroke Milita.
Good luck!
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Hi qccka3849, not easy to trace are they :)
I think that WO 68/74 (https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4428777) at the National Archives contained lots of information when trying to find when Philip was present.
I have extra years and locations for the above, which may be of use to you:
1792 - Pemb Militia reformed
1793 - Marched Hereford to Worcester
1795 - Holt and Warham in Norfolk
1805 - Colchester
And:
- Exeter Flying Post, 22 May 1800: Pembroke Milita to be reduced to 172 rank and file
- [Forgot to write down publication]16 Dec 1802 - Haverfordwest: Lord Nelson visited Haverfordwest. Band of the Pembroke Milita.
Good luck!
Many thanks for that WO 68/74 National Archives reference (I shall make a note to look through that collection) and the other additional information! I very much appreciate it!