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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: InLiverpool on Thursday 15 June 23 18:25 BST (UK)
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I have an image from my husbands family records showing a great uncle’s record of birth in 1865 giving his residence as as 91 Bogside. I presumed Bogside referred to an area of Derry. What would the ‘91’ refer to?
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Is the copy a birth record for a family record?
Have you found it here? https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
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No it is a record from Ancestry. The format cannot be uploaded but it clearly states 91 Bogside.
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Please can you clarify that. What kind of record?
I have just done a general search on Ancestry for 1865 plus Bogside but only have a return on a Donegal record.
Added - what is the name?
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Is '91 Bogside' from 1901 or 1911 census indicating the person was born around 1865? or is it from Derry City Cemetery database?
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It is from a record of birth from 1865.
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Sorry I am getting mixed with his wife’s family from Northern Ireland.
Patrick McGrath born 7th March 1865 , 91 Bogside. I have tried looking for old maps to try to pin point the area. I know it is not likely to exist now but I am hoping to visit Derry so would like to visit the location.
His father is Edward and his mother is Isabella.
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Thanks - here it is:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03585/2321502.pdf
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Sorry I am getting mixed with his wife’s family from Northern Ireland.
Patrick McGrath born 7th March 1865 , 91 Bogside. I have tried looking for old maps to try to pin point the area. I know it is not likely to exist now but I am hoping to visit Derry so would like to visit the location.
His father is Edward and his mother is Isabella.
InLiverpool,
Have we been in contact before via another genealogy site?
I have done a lot of research into these families over the last 20yrs.
I am certain that Edward McGrath was the brother of my direct ancestor and appears on a Scottish 1841 census with my family.
I and a 2C from the same line of ancestry share DNA with 2 of Edward and Isabella's known descendants.
Are you aware that Isabella Mackey/Macky was married before?
Edward's family came from Molenan and Isabella's were from Kilrea.
As per the newspaper announcement of 1841, Isabella's father was living in Molenan when she married her first husband. Presbyterian marriage.
I have never found a death for her 1st husband nor a 2nd marriage to Edward but, I did locate her one of her 2 daughters from her previous marriage who did not move to Liverpool with her mother and step father.
The elder daughter had a Presbyterian baptism in infancy and a RC baptism aged 12yrs which is annotated as "Convert"
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Thanks - here it is:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03585/2321502.pdf
Yes, that is the record. Anyone know where 91 Bogside is?
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Anne_p
Are you on ancestry? I think you may have come up on my hints which I probably disregarded. I will revisit that thanks.
Jo
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I haven't had a searchable tree on Ancestry for years so I don't think that it would have come up on your hints.
However, most of the information out there relating to Edward and Isabella prior to their move to Liverpool ( between 1865 and 1871) came from my own research that I passed to another researcher a good few years ago and who is my DNA match.
Isabella had a 2nd daughter who must have been born between 1842 and 1846.
I can't locate an original baptism but, she too had an RC baptism which is also annotated as convert.
Oddly, she was baptised 2 yrs before her older sister. My guess is that she was between 6 & 9yrs old at this time.
I also assume that this girl died in childhood because Edward and Isabella went on to have another child with the same given name
I would advise that you search the Irish Catholic Baptisms for St Columbs, Longtower as the sponsors for Edward and Isabella's children reveal a lot.
Isabella's eldest daughter was actually sponsor to one of the younger children and I'm pretty certain that my direct ancestor ( Edward's older brother) was the sponsor for a few of the others
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anne_p
Thanks for the information.
Regards
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Thanks - here it is:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03585/2321502.pdf
Yes, that is the record. Anyone know where 91 Bogside is?
After much searching of newspapers snippets and census records, I think Fahan Street and possibly St Columb’s Well might be the area.
If you search the newspapers abt 1901, there are several references to a number and then Bogside. If you then compare with 1901 census, the address is Fahan Street.
There is a Facebook site ‘Derry of the Past’ which seems to have lots of images.
Here is an example from a previous Rootschat query re the Margey family living at 127 Bogside in 1911.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=511084.
Here is that family in the census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__4_/Fahan_Street/603216/
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Hi anne_p,
Do you have details re the previous marriage of Isabella - the name of the spouse and also the name of the daughter/s you refer to?
‘Isabella's eldest daughter was actually sponsor to one of the younger children’
Are you aware that Isabella Mackey/Macky was married before?
Edward's family came from Molenan and Isabella's were from Kilrea.
As per the newspaper announcement of 1841, Isabella's father was living in Molenan when she married her first husband. Presbyterian marriage.
Where was the announcement published please?
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Heywood ( any reference to Heywood Street?)
Thank you for that I will check those references
Regards
Jo
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Have a look at the comments made about the following old photo, which someone claims to be Fahan Street and is then challenged by others as to whether it is or not...
https://www.facebook.com/Derryofthepast/photos/a.1777001242351259/1302218753162846/?type=3
Regardless of the photo, the point of interest is the following comment: "This is the bottom of the Bogside. I lived up the towards the top beside McBrearty's coal yard, 137 Bogside. That was our address but on official letters we were 137 Fahan Street!"
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Heywood
I have checked on ancestry and Isabella’s 1st husband is likely to be Thomas Pinkerton and they had 2 daughters Mary Ann and Margaret.
Cheers
Jo
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Oh I have seen Mary Ann as sponsor so that fits.
Thanks
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Good evening,
These maps may help, the first is a modern map showing all the new roads. The second is from 1905 and shows a Bogside st. This ran from the end of Fahan st north to William st.
John915
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Hi InLiverpool,
Apologies for the delay in response but, I've been out all day.
From an Announcement in The Londonderry Sentinel and The Derry Journal of 13 Mar and 18 Mar 1841, I located the marriage announcement of Mr Thomas Pinkerton of Balloughry to Miss Isabella Macky, daughter of John Macky of Molenan.
They were married on 9 Mar 1841.
I then located a record for their daughter Mary Ann Pinkerton who was born on 7 Dec 1841 and had a Presbyterian baptism in The First Derry Parish of Londonderry on 23 Dec 1841
I found no death or further announcements for Thomas Pinkerton, no further births or even a 2nd marriage for Isabella.
However, we know that by 1847, Isabella was having children with Edward McGrath.
I then located an RC baptism for MARGARET Pinkerton, daughter of Thomas and Isabella dated 11 Mar 1852 which is annotated as Convert and the sponsor was Margaret McGrath.
I can only assume that Margaret was younger than Mary Ann but not an infant in 1852 but I wonder if this was in advance of her first communion? Therefore aged around 6-7yrs.
(The sponsor may or may not have been my teenage GG Grandmother.)
May Ann Pinkerton, daughter of Thomas and Isabella was baptised as RC on 1 Oct 1854 and also annotated as Convert. She would have been 12yrs old at this time
The sponsor was Sarah Boyle.
Mary Ann Pinkerton married Thomas Hegarty on 9 May 1864.
It was at least a couple of years after this marriage that her mother Isabella and stepfather Edward McGrath moved to Liverpool as their youngest Irish born child was born in Mar 1865
I never located any information on daughter Margaret Pinkerton beyond her baptism of 1852
Contrary to copied information from tree to tree, the 1918 death in Derry refers to a Mrs Margaret Pinkerton Maiden name Fairman who was the widow of John Pinkerton and they both were from Donegal.
Be warned not copy anything that you cannot verify.
As you know, Edward and Isabella had a daughter named Margaret who was born in 1859 so I assume the first Margaret ( Pinkerton) died between 1852 and 1859
Margaret McGrath was baptised in Derry on 12 Jun 1859 and the sponsors were John Farland and MARY ANN PINKERTON ( now aged 18yrs)
Some years ago, I passed all this information to my DNA match, which is how the information is now showing on public trees.
I've always been certain that Edward was the younger brother of my GGG grandfather.
This ancestor spent a few years in Glasgow and appears on the 1841 census.
I know they returned to Derry between 1843 and 1851.
I am quite sure that the Edward McGrath in his household at 1841 was his younger brother and the same Edward who married Isabella.
Many years ago, I visited the grave of my GGG grandfather and the records office at the cemetery confirmed his parent's names and his grave stone states he came from Molenan.
His parents were called Peter and Margaret, therefore, based on the names of Edward's children, I am certain that they were Edward's parents too.