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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: DianaCanada on Monday 12 June 23 21:35 BST (UK)
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Trying to find out what happened to Sarah Barden, b. ca July 1771, Mountfield, chr. 9 Aug 1771, the daughter of Thomas and Sarah (Fuller) Barden.
Sarah is an executor of her grandfather's will. Thomas Barden Sr. likely only outlived his son Thomas, her father, briefly. In his will, dated 3 Mar 1790 (but not proved until 1809) he names Sarah, his brother John Barden, and brother in law William Waterhouse (married to his sister Elizabeth) as executors. By 1809 only William is alive, and he is very old. Thomas the grandfather lists the children of his son Thomas and mentions his daughter-in-law, also Sarah, still living.
Because Sarah was dead by 1809 I do not believe she is the Sarah Barden who married Edward Smith at Battle on 18 Nov 1791. I am fairly certain she is still alive in 1841, living with her son Ezekiel Smith in Battle.
A Sarah Barden married James Isted in Battle 9 Jan 1790 but wouldn't this make her name Sarah Isted/Istead in her grandfather's will?
There is also a Sarah Barden who m. 11 Apr 1793 in Icklesham, John Gurr, have not ruled her out but no further information on her.
Any help appreciated.
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1809 will of Thomas Barden here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DTC9-TVS
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Senior or junior? Buried at Mountfield, 9 Jan 1807?
Form of proceeding at an inquest, including the words to be spoken by the coroner, in the case of Thomas Barden, hundred of Battle
Date: 5 Jan 1807
https://www.thekeep.info/collections/getrecord/GB179_SHE_2_6_1_1
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I got banns at Battle
26 Dec 1790
2 Jan 1791
9 Jan 1791
James Isted of this Parish Bachelor
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Sarah Barden of the Parish of Mountfield Spinster
Is there a marriage?
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It did say on that original will, proved 27 March 1809, that William Waterhouse was one of the surviving executors. But "one of" was crossed out any "only" inserted
Was it a mistake? Or was it amended a bit later? The copy will just says "only", but we don't know exactly how soon the copy was written up.
Sarah Gurr, wife of John, was buried at Icklesham, 23 April 1809
But my impression from the marriage record is that it probably was a different Sarah
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Scrub that thought anyway, because I don't think they would have amended it!
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Don't think there is a marriage for James Isted and Sarah Barden in 1791, at either Mountfield or Battle.
We got an actual, real marriage licence tucked into the Mountfield register though! David Shanks and Mary Burgess. How cool!
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/62126/images/62049_314054000109_3568-00056
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Don't think there is a marriage for James Isted and Sarah Barden in 1791, at either Mountfield or Battle.
We got an actual, real marriage licence tucked into the Mountfield register though! David Shanks and Mary Burgess. How cool!
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/62126/images/62049_314054000109_3568-00056
I think you are right, I don't see a marriage for them now. Am not sure where I got the date of 9 Jan 1790, I guess from the third time the banns were read.
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Senior or junior? Buried at Mountfield, 9 Jan 1807?
Form of proceeding at an inquest, including the words to be spoken by the coroner, in the case of Thomas Barden, hundred of Battle
Date: 5 Jan 1807
https://www.thekeep.info/collections/getrecord/GB179_SHE_2_6_1_1
This has got me confused. If Thomas Sr. died in 1807, he would have been 95 years old. Possible, but seems unlikely, and with that advanced age, I would have expected it to have been noted in the burial record. There was a Thomas buried in Burwash in 1790 and I assumed it was Thomas Sr. as Thomas Jr. lived in Mountfield/Battle.
Are these records available online?
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Thanks for your help jonw, must say I am not entirely sure about the various Thomases and their deaths, etc.
I descend from John Barden, son of Thomas Jr., and from the will am happy to add Thomas Sr. as his grandfather.
I have traced a number of John's siblings, but a few have proven elusive, including Sarah.
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Senior or junior? Buried at Mountfield, 9 Jan 1807?
Form of proceeding at an inquest, including the words to be spoken by the coroner, in the case of Thomas Barden, hundred of Battle
Date: 5 Jan 1807
https://www.thekeep.info/collections/getrecord/GB179_SHE_2_6_1_1
This has got me confused. If Thomas Sr. died in 1807, he would have been 95 years old. Possible, but seems unlikely, and with that advanced age, I would have expected it to have been noted in the burial record. There was a Thomas buried in Burwash in 1790 and I assumed it was Thomas Sr. as Thomas Jr. lived in Mountfield/Battle.
Are these records available online?
Hi
What you say makes perfect sense, I am sure you are right. Thomas Barden makes his will in March in 1790, and the burial at Burwash was in April. But, for some reason, his will was not proved until much later.
So, if the son was dead when Thomas senior made that will, I don't know who the one who was buried in Mountfield in 1807 was! Presumably then there was an inquest, but that record is from a solicitor in Battle, and only available at The Keep.
Sorry for confusing you. It's me that was confused!
It could have been your Sarah who had the banns called, but I am not sure there was a marriage to James Isted. So what happened to her is still up in the air, I'm afraid. But we know she must have been dead when her grandfather's will was finally proved.
Jon
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Jon, I confuse easily! No worries.
I do have a Thomas Barden, brother of my ancestor John Barden who lived in Burwash (and the elusive Sarah), for whom I have not found a death date. He married Elizabeth Cressingham in Battle in 1792, he would have only been going on 20, but it is possible, given the location. I have assigned a few daughters to him and Elizabeth but not entirely sure of the accuracy. It might be the inquest was for him in 1807.
Went to the Lewes record office decades ago, with my mother, unlikely I will get to the Keep. My mother attended the girl's school in Lewes as a humble scholarship student from Heathfield.