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I am looking for my fifth great grandfather, his name was John Heard. He was a solicitor and or an attorney , who lived in hoopers square and Prescott Street, in London in 1832.
John was born in 1788ish birth location is unknown and I have not been able to locate him in 1841 census and unable to trace his death .
John married a lady called Jane Colwill in sept 1816 in Greenwich london
John was located in the resistants directory record in 1811 as a solitor residing at Hoopers square and the last record was located in 1832, residing in Prescott Street.
I am unable to locate a burial , will or even when he was born.
I hope someone is able to help me please, as I am unable to trace any further back
Thank you
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There are Articles of Clerkship records stating that in 1794 John Heard of St George Msx was articled for five years to Daniel Sees of St Mary’s Whitechapel, Attorney of His Majesty’s Court of Kings Bench and Solicitor in the High Court of Chancery, when Daniel Sees died two years later in 1796 the article of clerkship was transferred to Edward Baddeley of Leman Street, Attorney of His Majesty’s Court of Kings Bench and Common Please and Solicitor in the High Court of Chancery.
Jo :)
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London Metropolitan archives has some insurance records.
He owned other properties
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I searched at BNA for “Heard Hoopers”
Newspaper references to Mr Heard, Hooper(s)-square, [from 1817 Lemon-street is usually included in the address], Goodman's-fields start in October 1800. They are usually references to him acting as attorney in bankruptcies. These peter out at the end of 1823. In October 1824 he is named as one of the agents for the sale of a sale of property. Nothing after that with this search term.
Searched for "Heard Prescott"
two hits 1831, 1832 acting in bankruptcy cases
Searched for "attorney Mr Heard"
one hit, 1831
Searched for "Heard Great Prescott" several hits in 1828
searched for Mr Heard in the 1824-1828 gap
found a property sale Mr Heard, solicitor, 59, Prescot-street, Goodman's-fields in 1825
Did he move or was it simply that streets were renamed?
In any case he can’t have been born in 1788.
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John and Jane had two sons before marriage, John born in 1812 and Thomas born in 1815. They were baptised together in 1816.
In 1841 some of the younger children were living with their eldest brother John in Shoreditch.
Piece: 708
Book: 4
Folio: 36
Page number:10
Perhaps this means that both parents were deceased by then. The youngest child seems to be William, baptised in 1830 at Whitechapel. The address was Rupert Street.
Debra :)
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If Lemon Street was in St Saviour, Southwark, then it looks like it was renamed Loman Street, then Sawyer Street.
See here:
https://www.maps.thehunthouse.com/Streets/Old_to_New_Abolished_London_Street_Names.htm#L (https://www.maps.thehunthouse.com/Streets/Old_to_New_Abolished_London_Street_Names.htm#L)
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Hooper Square was essentially an extension of Prescot Street, on the other side of Leman Street, in what I think is Whitechapel.
It is now Hooper Street.
OS large scale plan 1848-1851;
https://maps.nls.uk/view/229949414#zoom=7&lat=7200&lon=5612&layers=BT (https://maps.nls.uk/view/229949414#zoom=7&lat=7200&lon=5612&layers=BT)
added: I realised later that "Lemon Street' would have been Leman Street. Also, see reference to Leman Street in reply #1
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John married a lady called Jane Colwill in sept 1816 in Greenwich london
John was located in the resistants directory record in 1811 as a solitor residing at Hoopers square and the last record was located in 1832, residing in Prescott Street.
I am unable to locate a burial , will or even when he was born.
there's a burial of a John Heard aged 60 in Greenwich on 29 Jan 1828, says residence was Greenwich Hospital, which I thought might be for Greenwich pensioners, so unlikely to be your man.
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Just noticed that your John last sighted in 1832, so definitely not the one.
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Jane Heard of Prescott Street buried Whitechapel age 45 18 Jan 1832
Entry above is for an Ann Heard age 70 of Ch. Lane…coincidence?
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One of his properties was 33 Gloucester
Street Terrace
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/4d809405-85cc-4663-879e-951539bd4643
There is a Will for John Heard, gent of 33 Gloucester Street. Terrace
Leaves all to his son John of 3 Charles street for benefit of “himself and the rest of my children”
Written 20 Feb 1839
Proved 29 Feb 1840
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/502438:5111?tid=&pid=&queryId=35da9e2cc371fb81879bdd41500f6436&_phsrc=gru2&_phstart=successSource
Added.. there is this death
HEARD, JOHN 66
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 312
That one was buried 16 Apr 1839 at St Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney
corrected address from Street to Terrace. so sorry. :(
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It is actually Gloucester Terrace, not Gloucester Street. I was wondering about two burials which almost exactly match the ages of two of his sons, Charles (buried 1834) and William (buried 1836), both of Gloucester Terrace, so that answers my question.
Debra :)
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Just log back onto this forum this morning and I want to thank you all so much for all of your help. :) :) :) :) :) :)
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One of his properties was 33 Gloucester Street Terrace
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/4d809405-85cc-4663-879e-951539bd4643
There is a Will for John Heard, gent of 33 Gloucester Street. Terrace
Leaves all to his son John of 3 Charles street for benefit of “himself and the rest of my children”
Written 20 Feb 1839
Proved 29 Feb 1840
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/502438:5111?tid=&pid=&queryId=35da9e2cc371fb81879bdd41500f6436&_phsrc=gru2&_phstart=successSource
Added.. there is this death
HEARD, JOHN 66
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 312
That one was buried 16 Apr 1839 at St Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney
corrected address from Street to Terrace. so sorry. :(
Thank you so much. I did wonder if this will belong to John Heard.
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There are Articles of Clerkship records stating that in 1794 John Heard of St George Msx was articled for five years to Daniel Sees of St Mary’s Whitechapel, Attorney of His Majesty’s Court of Kings Bench and Solicitor in the High Court of Chancery, when Daniel Sees died two years later in 1796 the article of clerkship was transferred to Edward Baddeley of Leman Street, Attorney of His Majesty’s Court of Kings Bench and Common Please and Solicitor in the High Court of Chancery.
Jo :)
Hi how where do I find all this information please ?
thank you
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There are Articles of Clerkship records stating that in 1794 John Heard of St George Msx was articled for five years to Daniel Sees of St Mary’s Whitechapel, Attorney of His Majesty’s Court of Kings Bench and Solicitor in the High Court of Chancery, when Daniel Sees died two years later in 1796 the article of clerkship was transferred to Edward Baddeley of Leman Street, Attorney of His Majesty’s Court of Kings Bench and Common Please and Solicitor in the High Court of Chancery.
Jo :)
Hi how where do I find all this information please ?
thank you
Ancestry. Record set. Look in Catalogue for
UK, Articles of Clerkship, 1756-1874
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How do I trace a baptism please?
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There are Articles of Clerkship records stating that in 1794 John Heard of St George Msx was articled for five years to Daniel Sees of St Mary’s Whitechapel, Attorney of His Majesty’s Court of Kings Bench and Solicitor in the High Court of Chancery, when Daniel Sees died two years later in 1796 the article of clerkship was transferred to Edward Baddeley of Leman Street, Attorney of His Majesty’s Court of Kings Bench and Common Please and Solicitor in the High Court of Chancery.
Jo :)
Hi how where do I find all this information please ?
thank you
Ancestry. Record set. Look in Catalogue for
UK, Articles of Clerkship, 1756-1874
Thank you, I will go and have a look in this. I haven’t looked there before. Thank you
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Jane Heard of Prescott Street buried Whitechapel age 45 18 Jan 1832
Entry above is for an Ann Heard age 70 of Ch. Lane…coincidence?
I will check that out , could it be johns sister or mum ??