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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Iasquith on Monday 15 May 23 14:54 BST (UK)
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Hi all it's been a long while since i've entered here but now iv'e another question that relates to my relatives.... here goes.
Can someone please tell me which cemetery the following burial records belong to?
They are on familysearchorg
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/485337?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Iv'e tried cross-referencing existing find a grave profiles from the list of cemeteries in the area but have not come up with a match for any of the memorials.
It says 'Huddersfield Cemetery' on the original document and I'm trying to link a person from one cemetery to another on find a grave.
Below is the memorial I created but I'm having doubts wether it is in the correct cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/253878843/grace-haigh
at all saints Huddersfield
any help would be greatly appreciated thanks Ian
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Not sure where you are located, but an idea might be to visit your local LDS Research Centre to view the films related to Huddersfield OR contact Kirklees Libraries in Huddersfield.
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This appears to be the burial register entry for Grace Haigh, buried 13 Oct 1903
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-896B-8ZY?i
Your memorial on Find a Grave has her in All Saints Churchyard.
You are right in now thinking that is incorrect, this is a civil cemetery register. I believe its Huddersfield Cemetery now known as Edgerton Cemetery.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/485337?availability=Family%20History%20Library
I've looked at those.
1 The last two films in that list 'say' they are for burials with the consecrated sections - that is not correct as both those registers state they are burials within UNconsecrated sections (which includes your Grace)
the film Grace's entry is in is:
1482944 dates 1891 to 1916 - register number sequence ends at 19015 and is still billed as Huddersfield Cemetery
the next film is
1482945 dates 1917 to 1945 register number sequence starts at 19016 but its now billed as Edgerton Cemetery, Huddersfield
see this page for more info
https://hdfhs.org.uk/edgerton-cemetery/
Boo
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Just to add to Tickettyboo's helpful reply, Grace's burial entry indicates that it's a family grave, and as she was a widow, it's likely her husband was buried there too.
Also, you've recorded 13 Oct as her date of death, when in fact it's her date of burial. According to the probate index she died on 9 Oct, and left a will with what looks to have been a fairly substantial estate for the time.
The Huddersfield & District FHS can provide memorial photos and transcriptions for Edgerton Cemetery - see https://hdfhs.org.uk/cemetery-reports/
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Thanks all for the response !
Bumblebee, I live in Brazil but maybe there's a chance that this summer when I visit the area I could call in at Huddersfield at the library...I'm also in desperate need of the 'overlays' for the burial plots for Dewsbury cemetery and Thornhill St. Michaels if they exist at all !
Iv'e heard they may be kept there.
Boo, yes those are the images iv'e seen and no I wasn't aware of the errors in unconsecrated and consecrated record sets I thought it was strange as I knew Grace was a widow in 1891 so her husband Joseph must have died sometime between 1881-1891 but couldn't his burial and with it saying family plot well......now I shall trawl through the other unseen records. I have now made another memorial for Edgerton so hopefully she is in the right place now !
Arthurk, thanks yes now iv'e changed the burial/death dates on the new memorial. Oh yes just found the probate record I wonder who Tom Hall was ?
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Good luck with your visit to UK - enjoy!!! My advice would be to contact the relevant areas - we are usually very helpful here! Good luck
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Arthurk, thanks yes now iv'e changed the burial/death dates on the new memorial. Oh yes just found the probate record I wonder who Tom Hall was ?
£1.50 for a pdf copy of the will, and it would probably make it clear - but as the will was proved in London, make sure you include the handwritten folio number as part of the order, otherwise it will be rejected.
Meanwhile, the 1901 census has a Tom Hall, mineral water manufacturer, age 47, born in Huddersfield, living in Heanor, DBY, with his wife Lily L and 3 month old son (also Tom). There's a possible birth for the son in the Basford Reg Dist in Mar qtr 1901 with mmn Smith, and that seems to be corroborated by a marriage between Tom Hall and Lily Louisa Smith in the Huddersfield district in Sep qtr 1900 - also confirmed by a notice in the Huddersfield Daily Chronicle of 1 Sep 1900, and possibly other papers too.
So, who was Tom? Probably too old to be Grace's grandson, but maybe a nephew. Or maybe he'd previously been married to Grace's daughter but she had died? (A Tom Hall married a Mary Rebecca Haigh in Meltham in 1888, but I've no idea if this is relevant.) Or maybe just a good friend?
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Boo, yes those are the images iv'e seen and no I wasn't aware of the errors in unconsecrated and consecrated record sets I thought it was strange as I knew Grace was a widow in 1891 so her husband Joseph must have died sometime between 1881-1891 but couldn't his burial and with it saying family plot well......now I shall trawl through the other unseen records. I have now made another memorial for Edgerton so hopefully she is in the right place now !
Arthurk, thanks yes now iv'e changed the burial/death dates on the new memorial. Oh yes just found the probate record I wonder who Tom Hall was ?
As far as I can tell this lady who was buried 13 Oct 1903 was the widow of Alan Brook Haigh, so not entirely sure that you have the burial for the correct Grace if you were looking for one with a husband called Joseph?
certainly an Allan Brook Haig was buried in the same plot as Grace (section 49, grave 25) on 20 May 1877
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L96B-ZG69?i
and the probate calendar of 1877 shows that probate was granted to his widow Grace
Boo
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Boo, Oh I did get it wrong didn't I ;)
many thanks for putting me in the right direction.
Yes her husband was Joseph iv'e attached the last census I found of them both together
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oh sorry, its a bummer when we find we've taken a wrong turn.
Still, its best to know so we can then look and hopefully find the correct ones.
I'll have a firkle tomorrow to see if I can find anything .
Boo
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Boo, it wasn't the first time and I don't say it will be last !
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I have now had a chance to have a quick look - here are LOTS of Joseph Haighs to choose from.
Apart from that 1881 census do you have any other info about these people?
Other Census returns prior to 1881/ marriage details/ children etc etc any of those would help to narrow down the search
Boo
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Hi Boo,
yes here's the marriage index for Joseph and Grace and the censuses 1851-1871
thanks Ian
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Hope this works !
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I am having trouble attaching files and seeing the ones iv'e attched I keep seeing the message 'this file name already exists uuum................
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If you are using Family Search, its easier to just give a link to the record you are trying to show.
If you are trying to attach files you have previously saved then they have to have a unique file name (never been used on Rootschat) which is often difficult to achieve.
so if your file is labelled e.g. 1851census.jpg then I'd suggest you add in todays date to make it unique- e.g. 1851census19052023.jpg
Boo
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Boo, thanks for the tip ok.
here goes:
marriage index https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DSP-N3Z
1851 census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP9H-8BN
1861 census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M76V-2GF
Joseph of Huddersfield's profile on family search: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GKKS-C1N
My Joseph Haigh's profile page from Kirkburton who is somehow related:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L2W9-NXY
Ian
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If you don't have them after 1881, then maybe
Death
March 1886 Huddersfield 9a 275
Haigh, Joseph
Age 72
Probate Calendar 1892
Joseph Haigh of Wellington Street Oakes Lindley Huddersfield
died 23 March 1886
Probate Wakefield 21 April (1892) to Peter Singleton, carrier and John Blackburn, weaver
The executors may be in Golcar in 1881, I don't know what their connection is.
Death
Dec 1887 Huddersfield 9a 262
Haigh, Grace
age 54
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On second thoughts, Grace Haigh died 1887 is about 10 years out, age wise.
So maybe scrub that idea!
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OK, Grace is with her daughter Emma Hinchliffe in Lindley in 1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9RP-YRL#
Possible deaths ;D
March 1909 Huddersfield 9a 299
Haigh, Grace
Age 77
March 1911 Huddersfield 9a 245
Haigh, Grace
Age 78
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Probate Calendar 1909
Grace Haigh of Wellington Street Oakes Lindley Huddersfield widow
died 8 August 1908 ???
Probate Wakefield 8 January to William Henry Haigh, card nailer, and William Hinchliffe, gardener
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So there are two wills you could order @ only £1.50 each
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/
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My maths is very bad!
Try another death for Grace? :-\ But not in Huddersfield RD!
HAIGH, GRACE
Age at Death (in years): 83
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in DEWSBURY Volume 09B Page 378
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Has the 1911 census been checked if Grace Haigh was still alive aged about 86 years old or even the 1921 census making her 96 years old -still a livable age. ??? :-\
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If you don't have them after 1881, then maybe
Death
March 1886 Huddersfield 9a 275
Haigh, Joseph
Age 72
Probate Calendar 1892
Joseph Haigh of Wellington Street Oakes Lindley Huddersfield
died 23 March 1886
Probate Wakefield 21 April (1892) to Peter Singleton, carrier and John Blackburn, weaver
There is a burial for this Joseph, at St Stephen Churchyard, Lindley
page 263, entry 2104
Q6 (?presumably the section/plot no?)
Joseph Haigh, abode Wellington St, Lindley, buried 27 Mar 1886, age 72
The registers I have access to only go up to 1890, so I'm not able to look to see if there is a later burial of a Grace in that plot
Boo
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My maths is very bad!
Try another death for Grace? :-\ But not in Huddersfield RD!
HAIGH, GRACE
Age at Death (in years): 83
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in DEWSBURY Volume 09B Page 378
I think I'd be confident enough about this one to take a punt on the probate record at least. Its looking likely that she may have died whilst visiting her son
The probate Calendar says one of her executors was William Henry Haigh a card nailer - who is quite likely to be her eldest son, birth registered Q4 1849 Hunslet, MMN Parkin.
The 1851 census gives his birthplace as Bramley which was within Hunslet Registration District
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/hunslet.html
Her death registration shows the death was registered (and therefore occurred) in Dewsbury Registration District which includes Batley
and in 1911 William Henry and his family were living in Batley
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWV6-YQY
NB though that transcript says card Railer, I've checked the image and in my opinion it is card Nailer which matches the info in the probate calendar.
Boo
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Well done, Boo.
Has the 1911 census been checked if Grace Haigh was still alive aged about 86 years old or even the 1921 census
Pretty sure that Grace died 8 August 1908, at least that's what the probate calendar says, so she won't be in the 1911 or 1921 census.
It's a surprise the calendar hasn't indicated a death somewhere other than the Lindley address, if that is what happened.
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It is a bit of a puzzle to me why the Haighs, and later the Hinchliffes, are in Dean Street in the census, and yet it says Wellington Street on the probate (though Wellington Street is in the same enumeration district)
Anyway, last electoral register entry for Joseph in Lindley is 1887
Township of Lindley-cum-Quarmby
Ownership Voters
Haigh, Joseph
Place of abode - Dean street, Oakes, Lindley-cum-Quarmby
Qualification - Freehold Buildings
Description of Qualifying Property - Oakes
There is a burial for this Joseph, at St Stephen Churchyard, Lindley
page 263, entry 2104
Q6 (?presumably the section/plot no?)
Joseph Haigh, abode Wellington St, Lindley, buried 27 Mar 1886, age 72
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jonw65, Yes Yes Yes ! that's the couple from Oaks Lindley ....the bit that ties it in is 'William Henry Haigh', their son, card nailor who I have found in Batley Cemetery who settled in Batley so that death index for grace in Dewsbury should be her.
She maybe was buried at Huddersfield because Iv'e checked all the municipal burials at Dewsbury, Batley and Heckmondwike and nothing came up for that year.
The 1901 census through me a bit because family search had daughter as Emily b.1885 ? her age was quite a bit out could be an error ?
Iv'e no idea who Peter Singleton, carrier and John Blackburn, weaver were ?
Boo, that burial looks interesting for William in Lindley and yes maybe Grace is buried in the same place it's a shame about the records although jonw65's electoral registry puts him still alive in 1887 ? then again "Dean Street' seems to reoccur quite often :-\
Well we've made some progress here then back on track ! just got to tie this in with Matilda Haigh buried in my 2nd great grandfather's family plot :)
dobfarm, I had checked the 1911 for Grace but only found her in 1901 and those two death index's of 1908 & 1903 that would fit.
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Theor son's burial record at Batley 'Card Nailor' ps. there's only his wife buried in the same plot up to 1967 and at the side his wife's relatives the 'Heys'
uum not able to attach file again apparently its too big ???
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Pretty sure that Grace died 8 August 1908, at least that's what the probate calendar says, so she won't be in the 1911 or 1921 census.
It's a surprise the calendar hasn't indicated a death somewhere other than the Lindley address, if that is what happened.
Yes that is odd, the 1909 Probate calendar says on the first page:
NOTE: - In every case in which the place of Death is not specifically mentioned it may be taken to be the same as the residence of the deceased.
This death registered in Dewsbury District is the only one I can see that would fit with the date of death as recorded in the probate calendar, but if she died at her residence the death should be registered in Huddersfield District.
I think the only way to be sure would be to spend £7 and get the pdf of her death registration from the GRO
Boo
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Yes that snippet of information about William Hinchcliffe jonw56 placed Emma their daughter marrying William living at dean street Lindley with children's birthplace saying 'Oakes' and by 1911 settled in Dewsbury.... all tying in nicely.
There's a marriage in the 'English marriages and Banns' on Ancestry for a Grace Parkin and Joseph Haigh 1849 Huddersfield but I don't if it's just the Banns or the marriage record itself I can't open as I don't have a subscription at the moment I don't want to abuse all of your already generous contributions to my searching but if someone could see if Joseph's father's name is mentioned it might point somewhere towards my Kirkburton Haighs ?
Ian
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Parish Church of Huddersfield
2nd January 1849, after Banns
Joseph Haigh age 27, Bachelor, residence Huddersfield, occupation Slubber
father Joseph Haigh occupation Slubber
Grace Parkin age 24, Spinster, no occupation, residence Golcar
father Samuel Parkin occupation Delver
Groom signs, Bride marks X
witnesses both sign, Wm (can't read surname), I/J Wilkinson
Boo
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Many thanks Boo ! I'll have a dig around now and see what I can find..
Ian
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There is a burial for this Joseph, at St Stephen Churchyard, Lindley
page 263, entry 2104
Q6 (?presumably the section/plot no?)
Joseph Haigh, abode Wellington St, Lindley, buried 27 Mar 1886, age 72
The registers I have access to only go up to 1890, so I'm not able to look to see if there is a later burial of a Grace in that plot
I haven't found any mention anywhere of burial registers after 1890, either at Ancestry (which has others of the church's registers) or West Yorkshire Archive Service, which would have any originals that have been deposited. Possibly the register is still at the church and/or still in use, so you'd need to approach them directly to get any information from it.
It looks to be quite a large churchyard, so I'd be surprised if it was full with no more burials after 1890. There are in fact a number of CWGC memorials there (various dates 1914-1945), though you can't always tell if the burials are there as well:
https://www.cwgc.org/visit-us/find-cemeteries-memorials/cemetery-details/2040530/lindley-st-stephen-churchyard/
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Thanks Arthurk, Iv'e created a profile on find a grave for Joseph at St. Stephens, Lindley and put in a photo request in the off chance there's a marker.
Ian
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The burial registers for St Stephens at Lindley are still held at the church. You could try sending an email to them and see if they will look for Grace for you.
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sandrastocks54, Thank you for that information !
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Hi Ian
I called in at St Stephens to look for a headstone but sadly there isn't one. I took a photo of the plot, which is the one directly to the left of the CWGC grave of H Stott.
Having looked back through my emails I see I was told that they charge £28 per hour (minimum of £28) for them to search their records!
If you don't mind waiting, I can contact them to see if I can arrange to view the burial books and photograph them, unless anybody else has access?
Sandra
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Thank you Sandra !
It's nice to know you found the spot and it certainly helps a lot having a reference for the plot with a headstone at the side !
That search charge is outrageous..... :'(
There's is no rush on viewing the burial record Sandra and thanks for your efforts.... by the way could I use the image to put on the find a grave memorial ?
regards Ian
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You're welcome to use it for anything you like. It's very low quality as I've had to reduce the size to upload it on here.
If you send me a PM I can let you have a better copy if you need it.
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra, yeah the other photo is much better !
regards Ian
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Hi Ian
Finally got to the church to view the burial register.
I found Grace Haigh's burial in grave Q6, buried Aug 15th 1908 aged 83 years. Her address was given as Bower Lane, Heckmondwike.
Are there any other family members you think may be buried at St Stephen's?
Sandra
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Thank you Sandra !
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Hi Ian
Not sure if this is a member of your family, but I've come across another person buried in grave Q6
Annie Smith of 57 Wellington Street, Lindley, buried 7 November 1939 aged 56 years
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra, it was Grace's grandchild
Ian