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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: toby_ax on Sunday 14 May 23 14:32 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I've hit a brick wall with an individual in my family tree and was wondering if someone would be able to help me get a better idea of her parents.
Mary Ann Wilson, born around 1860 (based on census), dying in 1934.
She married a Wilson Chester on the, 29 Apr 1877, in Shipley, St Paul, Yorkshire, England. Where her father is listed as Edward Wilson.
She may have been in a workhouse, according to the 1871 census and therefore I have no idea of her parents.. I can not find a 1971 census on Mary Ann Wilson, especially without parents names.
In the next 1881 census, she is already married and has children.
The problem I have is, as I don't have an early census, and can't say for sure where in Yorkshire she was born, I therefore can't find a birth record to find her parents.
I believe she was born in the Thirsk, Dalton Area of west yorkshire
I have found a census in 1861, of a Mary Ann Wilson, Edward Wilson, and Lavinia Wilson, living in the Lancashire area, but I can not say for sure, if these are her parents as the birth is Lancashire and not Yorkshire as all census records suggest, I can not say for sure that she was even born in time for this census.
Edward Wilson had no hits for a census, a birth, or even a marriage and so I am stuck.
The reason this is of particular importance to me, is that Mary Ann Wilson's husband, Wilson Chester, has his mother as an Ethel Wilson, and so I just need to go further to see if there (Hopefully not) is a relation between Ethel Wilson, And Mary's Father, Edward Wilson.
The birth index shows a Mary Ann Wilson in Thirsk in 1863, but as an index, does not show mothers maiden name.
Thanks for your time.
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The 1863 birth registration for Mary Ann Wilson in Thirsk RD shows a mmn of Thompson (GRO website).
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Birthplaces / Birthyears given on censuses
1881 - Dalton- 1862
1891 Dalton Thirsk - 1862
1901 Thirsk - 1863
1911 Cold Kirkby - 1860
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She may have been in a workhouse, according to the 1871 census and therefore I have no idea of her parents.
Could you give the full census details for this please, as I'm not readily finding it.
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Thanks all so far.
Could you give the full census details for this please, as I'm not readily finding it.
I've actually just re-looked at this census, and I was incorrect, apologies.
I had mistaken her maiden name for her married name as the census was for a Chester! Sorry
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Birthplaces / Birthyears given on censuses
1881 - Dalton- 1862
1891 Dalton Thirsk - 1862
1901 Thirsk - 1863
1911 Cold Kirkby - 1860
Closest I'm finding in 1871 is this one, at the Dog and Gun Inn, Carlton Miniott, Thirsk RG10/4833/122/8
John Thompson 33 Public House born Borrowby, Yorkshire
Jane 29 wife b Cowesby, Yorks
Mary A Wilson 7 (c1864) niece b Thirsk
This suggests a connection to the birth registration posted earlier:
WILSON, MARY ANN mmn THOMPSON GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in THIRSK Volume 09D Page 359
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You say Mary Ann died 1934. The Mary Ann Chester who died in 1934 was aged 87 - so not your Mary Ann
Wilson Chester appears to have died 1928 aged 78
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Oops! Thank you! Yes, Correct, Wilson died 1928
Mary was alive as of the 1911 census
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This suggests a connection to the birth registration posted earlier:
WILSON, MARY ANN mmn THOMPSON GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in THIRSK Volume 09D Page 359
Looks like this Mary Ann was the daughter of James Wilson and Violetta Thompson as there is a baptism for her in Thirsk and marriage between the above-mentioned parents in Easingwold in the same year.
Queenie :)
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Unless the marriage record is wrong, this can't be my Mary ???
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/3657447?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22696d5a6458512b6c643737325948513077485247494e3730496a6b3150705654516b302b6b30326e58316f3d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d
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If Mary Ann married 1877 then I doubt she was born in 1863 (making her 14!). Would be very unusual, but not impossible. She put herself as 'full age' on her marriage certificate, but obviously she could have lied about that. Nevertheless, I imagine a birth year of 1860 or earlier is more likely.
Queenie :)
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It is also important to keep in mind that she may have been illegitimate and so have made up a father. I have seen this time and time again, and it is often why certain ancestors are hard to trace...
Queenie :)
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On the 1881 Census,
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/3657586?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22584a33454634546c39655050534f36774e5250704964476a497a6866722f4b71634d357742672f6a7a306b3d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d
Mary is listed as 19 at last birthday with a 3 year old, making her 16 at the time of birth, and around 15 at the time of marriage.
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I completely understand what you are saying, but these documents contain information given by the person themselves. They don't actually have to prove it. I have just learnt from past experience that it is good to keep an open mind.
Queenie :)
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And even more oddly, the maiden surname for Mary Ann on the births of her children is Minnard/Minard:
CHESTER, NANCY mmn MINNARD GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 242
CHESTER, JOHN mmn MINARD GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 219
CHESTER, RUTH mmn MINNARD GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 233
CHESTER, MARY ELIZABETH mmn MINNARD GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in BRADFORD YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 205
and so on...
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Wow, I hadn't noticed that, even on my ancestors record, Harold Chester, it is also MINNARD, Mary is a mystery lol ;D
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What did I say about people providing weird and wacky information ;D
Queenie :)
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The only sort-of explanation I can come up with is this marriage in Kilburn on 15 Mar 1862:
Askwith WILSON 20 Farmers Servant, Sessay, Father = William Wilson, Labourer
Ruth MAYNARD 20 Spinster, Wass, Father = Robert Maynard, Labourer
Witnesses: Elizabeth Maynard (X), John Wilson
Ruth signed, but Askwith signed X.
I don't see any sign of them after this ???
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The only sort-of explanation I can come up with is this marriage in Kilburn on 15 Mar 1862
Might connect to that marriage
MAYNARD, MARY
Mother's Maiden Surname: —
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in THIRSK Volume 09D Page 337
Baptism at Kilburn, 24 Nov 1861
Mary Ann
Parent Ruth Wilson, Single Woman
abode Wass
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The only sort-of explanation I can come up with is this marriage in Kilburn on 15 Mar 1862
Might connect to that marriage
MAYNARD, MARY
Mother's Maiden Surname: —
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in THIRSK Volume 09D Page 337
Baptism at Kilburn, 24 Nov 1861
Mary Ann
Parent Ruth Wilson, Single Woman
abode Wass
Ooh, I'm liking the look of that!
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On 1861 census Ruth Maynard and Askwith Wilson are both in service at Church Farm, Sessay so there is a possibility he was Mary Ann’s birth father.
Pinetree
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Its also interesting that Wilson & Mary Ann's second daughter is named Ruth, but it isn't a name that seems to appear in his family.
Their first daughter, Nancy, seems to be named after his sister, who may in turn have been named after his grandmother (this is only speculation, I haven't looked).
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Wilson Chester's parents: John Chester and Esther Wilson m, 28th feb 1848 st Michael and All Angels Haworth Yorkshire her father was Greenwood Wilson who married Nancy Roper at Haworth 14th Oct. 1817. It was the grandmother.
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The only sort-of explanation I can come up with is this marriage in Kilburn on 15 Mar 1862:
Askwith WILSON 20 Farmers Servant, Sessay, Father = William Wilson, Labourer
Ruth MAYNARD 20 Spinster, Wass, Father = Robert Maynard, Labourer
Witnesses: Elizabeth Maynard (X), John Wilson
Ruth signed, but Askwith signed X.
I don't see any sign of them after this ???
Don't know if this is the same man, but its an unusual name
Asquith Wilson
in the Yorkshire, England, Quarter Session Records, 15 April 1865
It's a bastardy order, Asquith is of Hunslet, Leeds.
Woman is Mary Ann Moverley , child born 16 February 1865.
There are 2 more entries in the same year..
Possible birth registration for the child.
MOVERLEY, SUSANNAH - GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in LEEDS
No mmn given
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Interesting :)
I got sidetracked with a John Asquith Wilson, but I think the correct one was baptised at Staveley, Yorkshire on 2 Jun 1844: Asker s/o William & Mary Wilson Labourer, Staveley
He’s with them in the 1851 census at Staveley as Usquith Wilson aged 7. His parents and two siblings are still there in 1861, which leads to the birth registration of his brother:
WILSON, EDWARD mmn ASKWITH GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in OF KNARESBRO Volume 09A Page 87
Also two brothers (one presumably died):
WILSON, WILLIAM mmn ASKWITH GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in OF KNARESBRO Volume 23 Page 425
WILSON, WILLIAM mmn ASKWITH GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in OF KNARESBRO Volume 23 Page 439
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I have also found the same census, his marriage certificate to Ruth Maynard does show his father being William.
This is all so interesting.
Although I'm not quite sure about how to add this to my family tree, or even if I can yet?
Everyone else who has Mary Ann in their tree has just listed her father as the original, Edward, and just stopped there.