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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: artlover123 on Saturday 13 May 23 13:00 BST (UK)
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Dear all,
Please help with this label. Last post messed up as I couldn’t upload the image. It’s on the back to a portrait of William III.
Joshua
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Judging by the dates of the artist, Michael [can’t read] 1567-1641 this is actually a portrait of Philip William, Prince of Orange born 1554.
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Hi yes the artist attribution is wrong, but so odd it makes me wonder whether there is some meaning to it. However I’m most interested in last line which may indicate an owner, a baron something?
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It's Michiel van Miereveld.
https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/artists/michiel-van-miereveld (https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/artists/michiel-van-miereveld)
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Hi
Michael (van) Miereveld delft 1567-1641 Delft
Portrait of Prince Phillipe William of Orange
(So not William III but Philip William of Orange 1554- 1618 son of William the Silent and his first wife.So William III's great uncle). William III wasn't born until 1650.
There was a famous art collector Baron De Rede
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_von_Rosenberg,_Baron_de_Redé
Ciderdrinker
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The artist and sitter attribution is wrong, as it is clearly of William III and after a portrait by Wissing in the Royal Collection. However, the last line may indicate a previous owner, a Baron something?
Thanks,
Joshua
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Baron Rede van Autshoor(e) van Utrecht? The last word is difficult to decipher but starts ‘Ut…’
Googling the name including Utrecht suggests Baron Van Reede van Oudtshoorne (1714-73) an early Governor designate of Cape Colony
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_van_Reede_van_Oudtshoorn
I’m afraid I don’t know much about changes in early Dutch spelling.
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Fascinating, thank you. Here is another image I’ve clipped for size where it leads on to the frame if that helps. J
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It looks like the first two letters of the last word, slightly rubbed out, may not start with a U
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Yes from the wiki there would appear to be a Williamite connexion somewhere in the family:
"The van Rheedes are one of the old families of Europe, descending from Bitter Van Reede, mentioned between 1344 and 1372, who himself was probably descendent of Wernerus de Rethe, knight, mentioned between 1223 and 1236. Godard VAN Reede (10th generation) accompanied William III of Orange to England and became Earl of Athlone on 14th March 1691 (branch extinct 7 Jan 1897). Another branch, Van Reede de Parkeren en Aa, became extinct in 1879. The Van R(h)eede van Oudsthoorns are, therefore, the only surviving branch of the family, both in the Netherlands and in South Africa. Van Ooudsthoorn was added to the original surname of Van Reede because for a period they were squires of that village in Holland
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I saw the last word as Utrecht, would that fit?
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Looks promising.
I also see Utrecht, Alan. If you don’t see ‘Ut…’ as the beginning of the last word, what would you say artlover123?
To support the idea, if you compare the first letter of the word ‘…dtshoor..’ with the ‘O’ in Orange, they could be the same, just linked in different ways because of the following letters.
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Yes I think you’re right! Thank you both so much for your help.
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What do the first two words before Baron mean, by the way please? Goodness I really must get better at this!
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“Collection of” ?
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Perhaps 'Collection of....
https://m.interglot.com/nl/en/collectie
Dutch to English
collectie, de ~ (v) (assortimentkeuzekeursortering)
assortment, the ~ Noun
selection, the ~ Noun
collectie, de ~ (v) (museumcollectie)
museum collection, the ~ Noun
collectie, de ~ (v)
collection, the ~ Noun
‐ An object that contains a set of related objects. An object's position in the collection can change whenever a change occurs in the collection; therefore, the position of any specific object in a collection may vary.
collectie, de ~ (v)
collection, the ~ Noun
‐ A container for organizing clips.