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Title: Cause of death
Post by: pwl1951 on Friday 12 May 23 18:48 BST (UK)
Looking for help with cause of death from this US death certificate
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: shanghaipanda on Friday 12 May 23 18:57 BST (UK)
deliria tremens ?
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: pwl1951 on Friday 12 May 23 19:47 BST (UK)
Looks like Deleria but not tremens.
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: shanreagh on Friday 12 May 23 22:18 BST (UK)
Deleria
1. a state of excitement and mental confusion, often accompanied by hallucinations, caused by high fever, poisoning, brain injury, etc
2.  violent excitement or emotion; frenzy

The death was subject to an inquest so may be felt to be out of the ordinary  and the usual medical Dr was not able to sign.  The addtional text states 'shock' as well.

Not sure when this certificate was issued.  This can have an effect on what illnesses were known as.

A modern day definition of delerium is here
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/15252-delirium

Where it comes on suddenly as a result of fever etc they try to reduce the fever so that the delerium is minimised.

You might be able to locate the results of the inquest.

letting us know the date of the certificate might help as well

My brain keeps telling me the word is 'praecox' but I don't think it is.   


Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: Bookbox on Friday 12 May 23 22:37 BST (UK)
Looks like Deleria but not tremens.

I believe it is Tremens, as shanreagh has said. Capital T with a bonnet instead of a flat cap. The r is disguised by a leading hook (on the left). The rest of the letters as marked below.
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: Treetotal on Friday 12 May 23 22:46 BST (UK)
The upward arrow in between the two words indicates that maybe Pending should come between Deleria and the next word.
Carol
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: GR2 on Saturday 13 May 23 00:04 BST (UK)
The upward arrow in between the two words indicates that maybe Pending should come between Deleria and the next word.
Carol

The first and second lines have been written by different people. I would agree with Bookbox. The way the writer forms his "n" can also be seen in "and", and the "m" is is a similar style.
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: pwl1951 on Saturday 13 May 23 07:12 BST (UK)
Date of death was 8 October 1906
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: shanreagh on Saturday 13 May 23 07:29 BST (UK)
Could  you please put up the complete certificate so we can see how the letters are formed in other places.  Or give reference so we can look for ourselves.  Thanks
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: pwl1951 on Saturday 13 May 23 11:20 BST (UK)
Here is the complete certificate
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: AlanBoyd on Saturday 13 May 23 11:52 BST (UK)
Apparently not delirium tremens:–

Detroit Free Press 9 October 1906
 
Quote
Peter Ferguson Killed by Car.
Struck by a Sherman car at Rivard and Macomb streets Saturday morning, Peter Ferguson, a butcher living Waterloo street, died at St. Mary's hospital yesterday morning. Ferguson's death was due to a fracture of the skull. He was 38 years old and had a shop at 615 Gratiot avenue. A widow survives. Coroner Morgan Parker was called and at the request of the relatives sent the body to the house, whlle he is investigating the case.
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: dublin1850 on Saturday 13 May 23 12:59 BST (UK)
Inquest pending.
Shock check(?) Deleria Tremens(?)
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: shanreagh on Saturday 13 May 23 14:01 BST (UK)
I think it will be the deleria associated with a 'brain injury'.
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: AlanBoyd on Saturday 13 May 23 14:07 BST (UK)
maybe the last word is “accidens”

added: which is indeed the Latin word for accident
Title: Re: Cause of death **Complete**
Post by: pwl1951 on Saturday 13 May 23 15:59 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone for your input and special thanks to Alan Boyd for finding the newspaper article.
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: Karen McDonald on Saturday 13 May 23 22:02 BST (UK)
Hi everybody,

I'm a bit late on this one and the important words have been identified but I thought I'd reply anyway. :-)

I think the word after "Shock" is simply "and". The downstroke from the "q" in "Inquest" on the previous line confuses things a bit.
Title: Re: Cause of death
Post by: pwl1951 on Monday 15 May 23 14:39 BST (UK)
Thank you Karen.