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Title: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: Knarf45 on Thursday 11 May 23 16:04 BST (UK)
Looking for details of the origins of a James Hickmott bc1839-44 in Kent prior to 1868 when I know he married Mary Ann Wiles in Bromley. The couple went on to have 12 children between the years 1868 and 1888. 

James passed away in 1900 in Bromley so I'm guessing was born there or in one of the surrounding towns or villages but I can't establish exactly where and when.  On his parentage his 1868 Marriage Registration states his father's name as "Samuel" but so far I've been unable to find any matching families in the 1841 -1861 Census Returns.

I'm hoping that as there are a number of Hickmott branches in the Kent area that someone out there may have the details I'm looking for.  Any help appreciated.

Many thanks.
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Thursday 11 May 23 16:08 BST (UK)
James Henry Hickmott, baptised 10th March 1839 in Lewisham, Kent to Samuel Hickmott, labourer, and his wife, Susan.

Queenie  :)
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: Knarf45 on Thursday 11 May 23 16:16 BST (UK)
Thanks Queenie that was quick   ;)

So could his birth registration be the 1840 GRO index entry Vol 5 Pg 76 Jan-Mar Cranbrook Union with MMN= Bridger?
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Thursday 11 May 23 16:17 BST (UK)
I'm thinking he actually went by Henry as a child?:

HICKMOT, HENRY       BORSIMAN 
GRO Reference: 1839  J Quarter in LEWISHAM UNION  Volume 05  Page 259

Samuel Hickmott married Susan Berryman on 21st September 1829 in Old Charlton. Susan died in 1841, aged 29.

On the 1841 census, Samuel is living in Ladywell, Lewisham, with his 3 sons, George, Edwin and Henry, and William Bearman. Still in Ladywell in 1851, with George and Henry.

Queenie  :)
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: Knarf45 on Thursday 11 May 23 16:26 BST (UK)
Thanks again Queenie.

Very interesting as I thought James might have the middle name Henry as his 1900 death registration is James H Hickmott.

A James H Hickmott married a Helen Wallace in 1864 but I could find no further record of them. Not sure if it's the same person or a different one??
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: softly softly on Thursday 11 May 23 16:51 BST (UK)
Death of father

HICKMOTT, SAMUEL       aged 54 
GRO Reference: 1864  M Quarter in LEWISHAM UNION  Volume 01D  Page 663

Death of son

HICKMOTT, JAMES  HENRY     aged 61 
GRO Reference: 1900  J Quarter in BROMLEY  Volume 02A  Page 289

John
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Thursday 11 May 23 16:53 BST (UK)
Very interesting as I thought James might have the middle name Henry as his 1900 death registration is James H Hickmott.

His death registration is under James Henry Hickmott, with an estimated birth year of 1839, which matches perfectly with Samuel and Susan's son. He is also James H. Hickmott on the 1891 census.

A James H Hickmott married a Helen Wallace in 1864 but I could find no further record of them. Not sure if it's the same person or a different one??

Uncertain, if someone could find a transcription of the register then it would be far easier to confirm. I cannot see James' father's name on the marriage to Helen, and I cannot see James' marital status (whether he was a widower) on his marriage to Mary Ann. There is also the option of purchasing the marriage certificates from the GRO.

Queenie  :)
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: heywood on Thursday 11 May 23 17:14 BST (UK)
I can’t see those names on Free BMD.

This says ‘Marriage notice’. Is that prior to a marriage?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6JN-8MF
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 11 May 23 19:57 BST (UK)
Oddly there's a marriage on FreeBMD for a James Hickmott in the same quarter in Maidstone district. Bride either Susan Sarah Bolten/Botten or Emily Savage. Most likely Susan Sarah as I can see an Emily with the other groom and a Savage brother in law
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: softly softly on Thursday 11 May 23 20:13 BST (UK)
Oddly there's a marriage on FreeBMD for a James Hickmott in the same quarter in Maidstone district. Bride either Susan Sarah Bolten/Botten or Emily Savage. Most likely Susan Sarah as I can see an Emily with the other groom and a Savage brother in law

Postem to that marriage ref
Postems for this entry:

20/09/2007   age 50, bachelor, labourer, County Place, son of John, carpenter to Sarah Bolten, 8 Nov Holy Trinity, Maidstone

John
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: Knarf45 on Friday 12 May 23 10:01 BST (UK)
Thanks for all the inputs so far.
As usual with these puzzles each potential clue provokes further questions   ???

I might just need to order the 1864 marriage certificate between James H Hickmott and Helen Wallace to satisfy my curiosity. 
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: softly softly on Friday 12 May 23 10:48 BST (UK)
Thanks for all the inputs so far.
As usual with these puzzles each potential clue provokes further questions   ???

I might just need to order the 1864 marriage certificate between James H Hickmott and Helen Wallace to satisfy my curiosity.

Is there an 1864 marriage to Helen Wallace. No one can find a gro reference for it , can you.

John
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: heywood on Friday 12 May 23 11:08 BST (UK)
I can’t see those names on Free BMD.

This says ‘Marriage notice’. Is that prior to a marriage?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6JN-8MF

This is the link re ‘Marriage notice’, I posted earlier.
I could not see a civil marriage record.
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 12 May 23 12:38 BST (UK)
Bapts St Mary, Lewisham
EDWIN 07 Feb 1836
ELIZABETH HANNAH 01 Aug 1837
JAMES HENRY 10 Mar 1839, birth 26 Feb 1839
THOMAS 07 Mar 1841, birth 07 Jan 1841* burial below

GEORGE married Mary Ann BRIGGS 25 Dec 1855 Deptford

Burials St Mary
SAMUEL 03 Jan 1836 age 2, abode Brockley (maybe another child bapt elsewhere?)
SUSANNAH 21 Feb 1841 age 29 as found by Queenie
THOMAS 18 Apr 1841 infant


Aah, Bapt
JAMES WALTER 17 Oct 1830 St Paul, Deptford

Cant see bapt for George

All above on FreeREG

Trish :)
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 12 May 23 12:53 BST (UK)
So far unable to find Elizabeth Hannah 1841/1851 (EDIT 1841)
She is a servant 1861;
Elizabeth Hickmott 23   Servant born Lewisham

Married Richard BROOKS 1862 London, Father Samuel, signs as Elizabeth Hannah

Ok 1851 her age is wrong but still a servant to the same woman ?
Elizabeth Hickmott   19   Servant

I think you will also find Samuels Parents were Mary STAPELY/Walter HICKMOT who married 17 Oct 1792, St Peter and St Paul, Wadhurst, Sussex
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: Knarf45 on Friday 12 May 23 14:16 BST (UK)
Again, thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread.

On the 1864 Hickmott / Wallace marriage, despite a bit more digging and the fact that there is no GRO registration and no mention of the couple in the 1871+ Census Returns suggests to me that perhaps the marriage never took place. 

I'm also still puzzled why Samuel and Susanna's 1839 Marriage does not appear on the FreeBMD site? 

Anyway, onwards and upwards...
Title: Re: James Hickmott bc1839-44
Post by: QueenoftheWest on Friday 12 May 23 15:14 BST (UK)
I'm also still puzzled why Samuel and Susanna's 1839 Marriage does not appear on the FreeBMD site? 

My apologies; that was a typo. I meant to put 1829, which is before civil registration.

Queenie  :)