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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: s58roads on Tuesday 09 May 23 14:34 BST (UK)
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i am looking for the death of a John Armstrong b Garrigill/Alston circa 1811 who married Eleanor Armstrong on 16th August 1835 in Haltwhistle.
In 1871 he was a Coal Miner living at Halton lea Gate in Hartley Burn.
He comes up on 'Ancestry' as dying Feb 1873 but this is not guaranteed to be definitive.
Geoff
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If this is your man in 1871
Piece 5155/ folio 18 /page 10
then by the 1881 census his wife (still living in the same place) is listed as a widow.
So he died between 1871 and 1881, Hartleyburn came within Haltwhistle civil registration district
Search Free BMD deaths, John Armstrong, Death age/DOB @1809-1813, died 1871 - 1881 Haltwhistle District
Brings up just 2 results
1 in 1873 age 64 and 1 in 1877 age 65
I'd guess that one of them is your man, but without the death cert I wouldn't like to choose which one
Boo
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A couple of burials on FamilySearch, may tie in with the deaths posted
John Armstrong, 25 March 1873, Haltwhistle.
Age 64
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP7S-PPDQ
John Armstrong, 29 April 1877, Knaresdale
Age 65
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG5X-SK8Y
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Back on the case!
Thank you very much Tickettyboo and jonw65 for your responses.
In order to eliminate one of the candidates I am now looking for any details on the John Armstrong who died 29 April 1877 at Knaresdale eg 1871 census information, details of family etc
Look forward to hearing further.
Geoff
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1871 Census -- Hartley Burn
John Armstrong; Head of Household; Married; 59 years of age; a Coal Miner; born Carrigill
Ellen Armstrong; wife; 53 years of age; born Haltwhistle
Joseph Armstrong; son; Unmarried; 31 years of age; a Coal Miner; born Alston
Elizabeth Armstrong; daughter; Unmarried; 28 years of age; a Servant; born Alston
Matthew Armstrong; grandson; 10 years of age; born Haltwhistle
Thomas William Armstrong; grandson; 4 years of age; born Haltwhistle
Alfred Pickring Armstrong; grandson; 8 months of age; born Haltwhistle
Peter Pickring; Lodger; Unmarried; 27 years of age; a Coal Miner; born Alston
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Had a quick look at the civil births on the GRO site for the grandchildren, all entries do not have a mother's maiden name. The youngest, Alfred Pickring Armstrong, looks like his father could be the lodger, Peter Pickring.
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Elizabeth Armstrong married Peter Pickering, quarter 2 - 1878, Alston District, Volume 10b, page 588
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Thanks AllanUK.
The same sort of information ie C1871 for the other John Armstrong mentioned in above posts would be most welcome.
Geoff
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Hi
Sorry to go off on another tack, but could that age for the John Armstrong who died in 1873 actually be right?
Trees say he was either the John baptized 15 Nov 1812 at Alston, the son of John & Jane Armstrong, or that his parents were William and Mally/Mary (but possibly this John is still with his parents in Alston in 1851)
There is also this one
John Armstrong
baptism 12 May 1809, Chapelry of Garrigill
Parents Ralph and Elizabeth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM5R-R4M
John and Eleanor's first son was called Ralph, first daughter was called Elizabeth.
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Thanks AllanUK.
The same sort of information ie C1871 for the other John Armstrong mentioned in above posts would be most welcome.
Geoff
Can only find this one with a Haltwhistle connection:
1871 Census
John Armstrong; Head of Household; Married; 60 years of Age; Agricultural Labourer; born Haltwhistle
Ellenor; wife; 58 years of age; born Haltwhistle
Rebecca; daughter; unmarried; 36 years of age; born Haltwhistle; Comment 'Imbecile'
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The main stumbling block to finding the correct John Armstrong who was buried in Knaresdale in 1877 is that without something like the death cert which 'may' give a clue from the informant we have no other point of reference to use.
A search of the 1871 census (England & Wales) for John Armstrong born 1811+/-2 brings up 49 results. No matter where they were born or where they were in 1871, potentially any one of them could be the man who died in 1877.
Boo
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then by the 1881 census his wife (still living in the same place) is listed as a widow.
So he died between 1871 and 1881, Hartleyburn came within Haltwhistle civil registration district
Halton lea Gate is very close to Knaresdale (or Knarsdale?)
If we had access to the parish registers we could see the abode on the burials, but we haven't!
So when did Eleanor Armstrong die? Having two of them, and both married to Johns, doesn't help. Because the other one is also a widow in 1881, living in Haltwhistle. Still has her daughter Rebecca with her. Perhaps she is slightly older than "our" one.
It also means that the other John could be the one buried at Haltwhistle in 1873 :(
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Death 1
Dec 1881 Haltwhistle 10b 168
Armstrong, Eleanor
Age 68
Buried at Haltwhistle, 28 Oct 1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGR6-PMQW
Death 2
March 1893 Haltwhistle 10b 202
Armstrong, Eleanor
Age 76
Buried at Knaresdale, 11 Feb 1893
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPSL-9FCK
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Our Eleanor is still alive and at Halton Lea Gate, Hartleyburn, in the 1891 census.
Age 74
And her grandchildren are with her.
So she can't be the Eleanor buried in Haltwhistle in 1881!
But it looks quite likely she could be the Eleanor Armstrong buried at Knaresdale in 1893, age 76.
Unless she is still around in the 1901 census!
On that basis the 1877 death/burial for John now looks more likely?
June 1877 Haltwhistle 10b 185
Armstrong, John
Age 65
John Armstrong, 29 April 1877, Knaresdale
Age 65
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG5X-SK8Y
It would also make my suggested baptism for him in 1809 less likely!
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I am hoping to go to our local FHC next week, if its open I can have a look and see if the burial records give any further info.
No promises but I've added this to my list.
Boo
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Thank you all for the work so far and for your continued interest.
Geoff
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I did get to the FHC this week, unfortunately there was a problem with the computers and the sole volunteer who 'knows about computers' wasn't there.
Sorry I wasn't able to check the registers for you, I'll keep this on my list but its going to be at least a month before I can get there again.
Boo
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Thank you for your continued interest Boo. Better luck next time.
Geoff