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I've just read that a new series of Who Do You Think You Are is coming up. It's due to be broadcast in early June. Andrew Lloyd Webber and Kevin Clifton (from Strictly) are two of the celebrities.
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Yes I saw that. As usual I've never heard of most of the subjects. I only know of ALW and
Claire Foy. Says more about me than the programme I expect.
Martin
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Season 20:
Claire Foy -actress, The Crown
Lesley Manville - actress, The Crown
Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber - music, theatre
Emily Atack - actress and comedian, Inbetweeners and Keith Lemon series
Bear Grylls - survival specialist
Chris Ramsey - comedian
Kevin Clifton - dancer, formerly Strictly Come Dancing
Dev Griffin -radio presenter
Chris van Tulleken, and his twin brother Xand van Tulleken - doctors, and TV presenters
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Looking forward to it. So few things on Television I find I really want to watch, nowadays....
TY
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Great,I didn’t know there was a new series coming out… pleased to see from the list I’ve heard of a few who sound interesting!
Thanks for posting ChrissieL
Caroline
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The actual "celebrities" don't matter, it is the story which does. Some people who I dislike on TV have had great programmes.
Of course there is the occasional subject whose attitude is " Great! A programme all about ME!! " and they get in the way of things.
Others you can imagine getting addicted and using the programme as the basis for a fuller tree. Maybe they are hiding on RootsChat!
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I will look forward to seeing that, thanks Chrissie for sharing.
Carol
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Looking forward to this too. Only two I’ve not heard of.
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Fab programme, thanks for the advance warning ;)
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I`m also looking forward to this new series, thanks for posting.
I know them all, 3 from Strictly, Lesley Manville - great actress, not forgetting the twin doctors !!
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The series starts on Thursday 1 June on BBC1 at 9pm. The first celebrity is Andrew Lloyd Webber. Really looking forward to it!
Chris
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That`s good news. Thanks for posting. I will record the first one as we are having visitor.
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Actually, I usually record the series as sometimes I like to look back at some of the things that have been discovered
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Chris
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Thanks for letting us know when it starts and who is the first one … I shall record it as will be visiting family that day.
Caroline
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Looks like there will be a break in the series as the BBC are only initially showing 4 episodes, unless it’s just the way the BBC are publishing the dates. 3 x Andrew Lloyd Webber followed by Clare Foy next week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007t575
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Thank you for giving us the start date of 1st June.
Looking forward to it as usual. Something to watch that takes my interest for a change,
Dorrie
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I really enjoyed tonight’s programme. Saw a different side to Andrew Lloyd Webber.
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Not seen the episode yet will have to watch on catch up but apparently it featured Parham in Suffolk according to Parham's FB page. My ancestral village.
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I thoroughly enjoyed tonight's episode and was surprised by the twists and turns.
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I laugh at the way they refer to a 12 x great-grandfather, without actually making it clear that a person has over 16,000 of them!!! :) :)
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This was a really enjoyable episode. The trip abroad was appropriate to the story, rather than being an excuse for a "jolly".
Looking at a sheet of music he had never seen before and judging whether or not it would be difficult to play? That's an expert!
I also liked the "reporting back to the family" at the end. It indicates that the subject has actually been paying attention.
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A great programme to start this series off.
Sir A LW was completely engaged with the whole episode and wonderful to see him enjoying the information with his brother.
I found the information fascinating and how diverse an ancestry he has.
Looking forward to the next one.
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I laugh at the way they refer to a 12 x great-grandfather, without actually making it clear that a person has over 16,000 of them!!! :) :)
Absolutely! I was going to post exactly the same point. And the other (theoretically possible) 16,383 individuals could all be washerwomen, vagrants or sheep-stealers. ;D
I’m guilty of the same tendency to refer to “my 4x great grandfather”, whereas I should really refer to “one of my….” (The furthest back I have got is a 7x great grandfather, so I’m only missing 511 individuals in that generation!)
Dave :)
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I laugh at the way they refer to a 12 x great-grandfather, without actually making it clear that a person has over 16,000 of them!!! :) :)
Funnily enough I was thinking about that the other day, and how you have around 16'000 12xgreat grandparents. I worked out Peter Cartwright (c1555-1597) is one of my 12xgreat grandfathers. Out of the 16000 I have traced about 15 of them.
I have seen the ep in full and see that ALW's ancestor was Katherine Willoughby of Parham, born about 1520.
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A really interesting episode on Lloyd-Webber. Greatly enjoyed it. Only hope the rest of the sewries can be anywhere near the same standard (Still shudder when I recall the Anne Reid one!)
TY
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I guess no matter how far back they are, they will still be an ancestor of yours. Also it will be impossible to trace all of your 12xgreat grandparents so it is a bonus if you have been able to get back that far. Even if not gentry or royalty, if they were local pillars of the community (portmen, mayors, clothiers etc) and left wills and had some money then it is possible.
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I've been lucky enough, because of unusual names, to work out six of my 11 x great grandparents. What's more, one of those six is female, because my earliest event is a marriage in 1588 - the year of the Spanish Armada !
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I have an ancestor from Essex whose family trace back to Colchester and one of them ancestors was born in 1570 to a Suffolk dad and a Lincolnshire mother. Her dad was a mayor and alderman and her mum was a Midlands girl with a father who owned land in Elston, Notts.
Anyway I did enjoy the Andrew Lloyd Webber episode, always liked him.
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Interesting unfortunately I do not live in the Uk so will be unable to watch it, I was particularly interested in Bear Grylls, as supposedly we share some of the same ancestors, we are very remote from each other, I was hoping that a our mutual ancestors may have be highlighted but going by the trailers so far I have spotted they are going to concentrate on his grandfather's WW2 exploits and his descent on his mothers side from Robert the Bruce, Bear on his father's side is also descended from Edward IV through his illegitimate son Arthur "6th Viscount Lisle. so I do not believe our mutual ancestors will be highlighted
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After having visitors for a week I finally got round to watching the Andrew Lloyd Webber story. I thought it was a great start to the series. He was really interested in his family and keen to find out as much as he could about them. Lovely to see him showing the musical score to his brother at the end. I wonder if Julian had a go at playing it?
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Fortunate to get back to 11x GGparents. I can only manage one 10xGGparent and he was born ca 1520!
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I didn’t enjoy the Claire Foy edition as much, though there were some interesting parts.
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Not too bad, the Claire Foy one, but no really interesting stuff.....
TY
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I’ve just watched the Bear Grylls episode. Some interesting bits, but I had to smile when his “21x great grandfather” was revealed (Robert the Bruce). Not referred to as “one of your x number of 21x gt grandfathers” (I haven’t yet worked out how many that pretty massive number would be). The programme always refers to these relationships as if you have just the odd great grandfather in each generation on each side of the family. I wonder how many people share the same ancestor. Quite a sizeable number I imagine.
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I think that theoretically Robert the Bruce would be one of his 8,388,608 21x great grandparents ;D
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I tend to download the episodes so I can pause it where the family tree and connections are shown.
When watching they scroll up too fast!
I find it interesting that most of the interesting connections follow the female line :)
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Ended up gritting my teeth at the "Bear" Grylls one. Don't think I'd get on with him, seemed very self-satisfied..... and as other have said, yes, well, at that many "greats..."?
TY
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I quite enjoyed the Bear Grylls one - perhaps I’m getting less critical as I get older. He said he already enjoyed wearing a kilt and I did wonder which tartan he was currently wearing when he’d met his ‘ cousin ‘ wearing the correct tartan. Or did he already know who he was descended from and already has the correct tartan?
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Many of our distant great-grandparents are “repeats”, especially if our ancestors stayed in one area, and if we have fairly recent cousin marriages in our direct line, then there’s that.
I only wish they’d put all of the series on BritBox. I have seen quite a number of the earlier ones, thx to YouTube, but more recent ones have not shown up on there.
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Not having watched Bear before I found him irritating within the first 5 minutes but I still watch the programme.
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I completely forgot about this week's WDYTYA :'(. Does anyone know if it will be repeated? Thanks
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It will be available on BBC iPlayer.
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Also
Wednesday 28th June BBC1 at 11.50pm
www.radiotimes.com/tv/tv-listings/?ts=1687989600000
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I had no idea who the "celebrity" was, but what an interesting story. I missed the first ten minutes - I must go back and watch them to see what the family story was. I just wish the subjects wouldn't try to count the "greats" all the time!
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Thank you both :). I'll get it on Wednesday 28th. I'm in Ireland, so don't think I can use BBC iPlayer. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
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I was distracted while the program was on but will rewatch .
Thanks for the radioink too
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I quite liked the Kevin Clifton one. I keep hoping we get Steve McFadden and David jason do WDYTYA one day. :D
Also in more recent times as well, there will be a number of families in a cluster of villages who have the same surnames, and this may mean they were cousins or more distant ones and they wed into families of the same surname or families with another surname that is known in the area that is not as common as Smith or Brown. For instance a village with a number of families with the surname Keeble/Bridges/Newson and Fruer in Suffolk will have members of the families marrying into each others extended family. So you may find 2 people of the surname Keeble marry 2 people of the surname Newson, and they may have been siblings marrying siblings, or more distant relations, or even coincidence. My ancestor William Mayhew wed Eliz Bridges, and his cousin wed a Edward Bridges but that does not necessarily mean Edward and Eliz were siblings, they may have been cousins/2nd cousins or it was just coincidence.
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I really enjoyed the KC episode.
A good story, which apparently is well-known in Canada but virtually unknown on this side of the Atlantic.
I'm surprised though that nobody thought of doing a quick internet search for Matooskie. Maybe it is a generational thing!
We should take it as reminder that just doing a general search for some of our ancestors can produce surprising nuggets!
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I'm watching it now
.I don't watch dance programmes so didn't know Kevin C
I like his enthusiasm for all the discoveries
Love this series .
It would be interesting to know his DNA ethnicity.
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www.thegenealogist.co.uk/featuredarticles/2023/who-do-you-think-you-are/kevin-clifton-1995/
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The Kevin Clifton episode is one of my favourites so far, if only because of his amazement and enthusiasm as the story unfolded.
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I really enjoyed the KC episode.
A good story, which apparently is well-known in Canada but virtually unknown on this side of the Atlantic.
I'm surprised though that nobody thought of doing a quick internet search for Matooskie. Maybe it is a generational thing!
We should take it as reminder that just doing a general search for some of our ancestors can produce surprising nuggets!
What story is well known in Canada? I’ve never heard of Kevin Clifton. Now I’m intrigued (we don’t get the show here)!
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What story is well known in Canada? I’ve never heard of Kevin Clifton. Now I’m intrigued (we don’t get the show here)!
This story: https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~coigach/genealogy/matooskie.htm
Also mentioned a few years ago here on Rootschat: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=228424.0
ADDED: Just reading the penultimate post on the above thread (4 Aug 2021) "I'm a researcher currently working for a UK based history TV programme and I'd love to hear more about what you know about Matooskie and also your connections with her descendants if posssible. Thank you so much, Hermione". Someone named Hermione Hellyer was working as a Development Researcher on WDYTYA in Aug 2021 - same person?
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What story is well known in Canada? I’ve never heard of Kevin Clifton. Now I’m intrigued (we don’t get the show here)!
This story: https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~coigach/genealogy/matooskie.htm
Also mentioned a few years ago here on Rootschat: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=228424.0
ADDED: Just reading the penultimate post on the above thread (4 Aug 2021) "I'm a researcher currently working for a UK based history TV programme and I'd love to hear more about what you know about Matooskie and also your connections with her descendants if posssible. Thank you so much, Hermione". Someone named Hermione Hellyer was working as a Development Researcher on WDYTYA in Aug 2021 - same person?
Very interesting story, although I have never heard of Matooskie (and I used to teach Canadian history). Alexander Mackenzie is very well known.
Thanks for this, Jomot.
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=228424.0
Trish :)
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=228424.0
Trish :)
Isn't that the one I already posted, or am I going mad?
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Sorry if it was, just got carried away as just watched the episode of Kevin Clifton :)
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This story: https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~coigach/genealogy/matooskie.htm
Also mentioned a few years ago here on Rootschat: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=228424.0
ADDED: Just reading the penultimate post on the above thread (4 Aug 2021) "I'm a researcher currently working for a UK based history TV programme and I'd love to hear more about what you know about Matooskie and also your connections with her descendants if posssible. Thank you so much, Hermione". Someone named Hermione Hellyer was working as a Development Researcher on WDYTYA in Aug 2021 - same person?
Hiya, yes, Hermione was the key researcher, though I was disapointed not to see her noted in the credits, I guess because she was a contract employee, and of course lots of people were also involved in the production. I supplied to her the photo of Matooskie which had been shared to me some years earlier by another descendant, as well pointed her to other sources.
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Very interesting story, although I have never heard of Matooskie (and I used to teach Canadian history). Alexander Mackenzie is very well known.
Thanks for this, Jomot.
Though the show did not go into her Scottish roots, her father Roderick MacKenzie of Terrebonne (noted on one of the docs glimpsed over, more fully covered in my file), was a first cousin and best friend of Alex, it is thought he wrote the first third of the book that won Alex his knighthood. Roderick founded Fort Chipewyan, oldest permanently inhabited community in Alberta, and from there Alex left on his two voyages of discovery. Roderick was a noted historian and ethnologist.
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My favourite episode this series so far. Not heard of him before but quite a story he uncovered.
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Did anyone watch the Emily Atack episode? The McCartney/McCarthy line was interesting. They could have gone a bit further Rose Ann Hughes the first Irish-born ancestor on that line (mother of James the plumber/painter born in 1845) was Irish but her husband James (the upholsterer) was born in Liverpool. He was born in 1822 to Irish parents James & Ann. So the McCartney/McCarthys were very early Irish migrants something I like to see because earlier migration is often overlooked.
At first I doubted the surname had once been McCarthy or similar so I did some research. The earliest records have McCarty, McCartey or McCarthy but McCartney appears as early as 1845 for the RC baptism of James (the plumber/painter). James (the upholsterer) born in 1822 when he married in 1844 signed as McCarthy but his son James (the plumber/painter) when he married in 1864 signed as McCartney and from then on they were usually recorded as McCartney.
Blue
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Yes watched it last night.
Good bit of research there Blue :)
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Yes watched it last night.
Good bit of research there Blue :)
Thanks. It started out as that can't be right it must just be the name being put down wrong but it happened enough to suggest that the name really was once McCarty or McCarthy and McCartney was a later variation that Paul's ancestors chose rather than the other ones. Some of the variations found:-
McCartey 1822 Baptism of James s of James & Ann McCartey (St Anthony RC)
McCartey 1841 Census of James s of James & Ann McCartey
McCarthy 1844 Marriage of James McCarthy & Rosanna Hughes (St Nicholas CE)
McCartney 1845 Baptism of James s of James & Rose McCartney (St Nicholas RC)
McCarty 1845 Birth registration of James s of James McCarty & Rose Hughes
McCartney 1847 Baptism of Anne d of James & Rose McCartney (St Mary RC)
McCarthy 1851 Census of Hughes family & Rose, James & Frances McCarthy
McCarthy 1859 Marriage of JA Templeton & Rose Ann McCarthy (St Anthony RC)
McCarthy 1861 Census of Templeton, Hughes & McCarthy
McCartney 1864 Marriage of James McCartney & Elizabeth Williams (St Peter CE)
McCartney 1866 Baptism of Joseph s of James & Elizabeth McCartney (St Anthony RC)
McCarney 1871 Census of James & Elizabeth McCarney with son Joseph
McCartney 1881 Census of Elizabeth McCartney (husband seaman) & family
McCartney 1891 Census of Elizabeth McCartney widow & family
McCartney 1896 Marriage of Joseph McCartney & Florence Clegg (Christ Church Kensington CE)
McCartney 1901 Census of Joseph & Florence McCartney & family
McCartney 1911 Census of Joseph & Florence McCartney & family
Blue
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A broad Irish accent saying McCarthy would sound like McCartey.
And not such a big step to McCartney?
Especially when heard by English ears ;)
P.S. I particularly liked the van Tulleken twins episode.
Both because of the twins in my family, and because I spent 16 years in The Netherlands.
Not been a bad episode in this series, so far.
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A broad Irish accent saying McCarthy would sound like McCartey.
And not such a big step to McCartney?
Especially when heard by English ears ;)
It is something we need to worry about when trying to find records for Irish, Welsh and Scottish people.
Then there's a lot of variation in the anglicisation of names from these places (and the reverse too).
It all adds to the fun!
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K Garrard
I also enjoyed the van Tulleken episode very much. At first I thought that it was going to be a bit boring, as their parents already had so much information, but it was a joy to see their enthusiasm as they researched further. How their faces dropped when they found that their ancestor had been actively involved in slave trading! Their joyful expressions changed to sombre ones as they contemplated the trade he was involved in.
I hadn't realised the connection between Emily Atack and Paul McCartney, but found her down to earth and full of fun. It was interesting to see just how many showbiz relatives she has.
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A broad Irish accent saying McCarthy would sound like McCartey.
And not such a big step to McCartney?
Especially when heard by English ears ;)
It is something we need to worry about when trying to find records for Irish, Welsh and Scottish people.
Then there's a lot of variation in the anglicisation of names from these places (and the reverse too).
It all adds to the fun!
What fun?!?
Rena - Still looking for correct McCarty/McCarthy
P.S.: I too enjoyed the van Tulleken episode very much
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For some insane reason (I suspect it polices our choices?) our VR or whatever they're called nowadays chose not to record the Emily Atak one, - so as well as unable to spell her name I've no idea about who she is, or what she does!
(Do other people have gadgetry that fights them in a subversive manner? OH's smartphone is a real mess, got "app-itis" I suspect, and the spare at the bottom of my handbag has a sim card that's just committed suicide apparently, when after 3 weeks off-duty, I tried to switch it on for himself to use as a spare!
My very old Nokia non-smart just keeps on going!)
Grrrr!
TY
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Repeated Wed 12th July 10.40 pm BBC1
www.radiotimes.com/tv/tv-listings/?ts=1689195600000
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I got a tennis match instead of Emily.
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It was shown on BBC 2 because of the tennis, Andy Murray I think.
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For some insane reason (I suspect it polices our choices?) our VR or whatever they're called nowadays chose not to record the Emily Atak one, - so as well as unable to spell her name I've no idea about who she is, or what she does!
Actress (The Inbetweeners and Keith Lemon shows) daughter of Kate Robbins, 1st cousin, twice removed of Paul McCartney, Niece of comedian Ted Robbins.
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It will be on the IPlayer for quite a while!
I thought her mum, Kate Robbins, had already done WDYTYA as I remembered watching her and Paul McCartney’s brother talking about the connection. I tried to find the program but maybe I’m mistaken and it was another FH program. The only new bit that was new to me was the Atack side with the Butlins connections so all in all not much for the researchers to do on this particular episode.
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i fell aslleep before end of latest one will watch now .
when ever technology plays up i presume ive jinxed it ,
dont have a tv so have tofind on laptop on iplayer
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Last night's was very boring. How many more times do they have to show episodes featuring the Easter rising?
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I agree and think that there were missed opportunities to flesh out the family's history, particularly on the Jamaican side.
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I quite enjoyed it - at least it combined the obligatory Irish and Carribbean episodes and did some 'proper research'.
Missed last weeks off course which I understand may also have had an Irish flavour.
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I got fed up when I realised it was the Easter rising again, and watched the Van Tulleken one on iplayer instead. I missed it when it was broadcast. I wonder how long they will keep making these programmes, as they are bound to be somewhat repetitive, but perhaps there are new audiences coming along?
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Yes the Irish revolutionary/civil war period does get repeated coverage on the show I don't mind that so much it's sometimes not revealing the full picture that always bothers me. Self government or Home Rule for Ireland had been talked about for years and it was supported by many in Britain but the main obstacle to it was Irish Unionism which had its powerbase in the north of Ireland. The British government should be criticised for delaying self government/partition of Ireland but there could have been more peaceful activism so that lives were not lost and we could have had today all those Irish records that were destroyed at the Four Courts in Dublin.
Blue
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I find the “dumbing down” somewhat irritating at times. Was Dev Griffin really surprised that his relative was sentenced to two year’s imprisonment for taking part in the Easter Rising, an insurrection assisted by Germany, in the middle of a war which took the lives of over three quarters of a million servicemen, including lots of Irish soldiers (and at a time when some members of the British Army were being shot dead by the army for cowardice or desertion)? Is the wide-eyed look and gasp of surprise just obligatory in every episode of this programme?
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I agree most episodes dumb down the history and at times they lean heavily on historical events that may not have influenced their ancestor. For example someone moving to Britain from Ireland in the 19th century was not necessarily a starving person fleeing the famine. One of my Irish ancestors was first recorded in England in 1807. Like with England, Wales, Scotland & Isle of Man Irish people moved around and it wasn't necessarily because of the political situation or terrible events.
Blue
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My 2nd Great-Grandfather went the other way!
He moved to Ireland in 1860, and died there in 1868.
Married in Dublin 1861.
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As most of us on this website are history buffs to some degree or other, I think we are bound to be shocked by the ignorance of these mostly quite young people. I have a nasty feeling that my middle-aged children wouldn't know much about the Easter rising either!
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David Tennant's WDYTYA from years ago was good to start with but then it became about The Ulster Covenant and then the rest of the episode seemed like it was researching history, not genealogy and I lost interest.
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Surely, if you want to understand your ancestors, you have to place them in an historical context?
Why did they make certain decisions in life?
But I suppose that, to some, ignorance is bliss?! ;D
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Surely, if you want to understand your ancestors, you have to place them in an historical context?
Why did they make certain decisions in life?
But I suppose that, to some, ignorance is bliss?! ;D
A tip for you, make friends on here, not foes.
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It is not just on the eastern side of the Irish Sea where knowledge of Irish history is sketchy.
I recently came across someone on YouTube with a very strong Dublin accent claiming that it was the English who burned the Four Courts.
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Surely, if you want to understand your ancestors, you have to place them in an historical context?
Why did they make certain decisions in life?
But I suppose that, to some, ignorance is bliss?! ;D
Working class Irish people in the 19th century were more interested in putting food on the table than the governance of the country. It was a case of new boss same as the old boss after independence. Painting postboxes green instead of red didn't address poverty and the unemployment situation in Ireland.
Blue
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I found it rather sad that the descendants of the family which had spent so much of their time supporting the Irish cause and had built a college to help retain the Irish language moved to London in the 1950's and then had their children take elocution lessons to be less Irish! All within what... 40 years or so?
CD
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I found it rather sad that the descendants of the family which had spent so much of their time supporting the Irish cause and had built a college to help retain the Irish language moved to London in the 1950's and then had their children take elocution lessons to be less Irish! All within what... 40 years or so?
CD
Me too. Migration to Britain, USA etc continued through the 20th century so the problems of Ireland were more complex than being all the fault of British misrule. Ireland was a mostly rural country with less opportunities than in the cities of Britain and USA and investigating that can help us to understand why so many people emigrated.
Blue
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There was a lot of "pre 1840s famine" emigration from Ireland as well. Estimated that London had about 20'000 Irish people in 1800. I would say many of them in Westminster, St Giles and Bethnal Green.
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There was a lot of "pre 1840s famine" emigration from Ireland as well. Estimated that London had about 20'000 Irish people in 1800. I would say many of them in Westminster, St Giles and Bethnal Green.
Yes the 1840s famine generation found cities and towns in Britain with Irish people already living there and a catholic parish system to support them. Liverpool for example was in a part of the country where the catholic faith had survived so the earliest Irish migrants of that era in the 18th and early 19th century were welcomed into a pre-existing catholic community. My earliest Irish ancestor in Liverpool married an Englishwoman in Liverpool in 1807 whose ancestors were recusants they had stayed catholic through hundreds of years of persecution.
Blue
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Similar to the later wave of French Huguenots who arrived in England in the early to mid 1700s, after the initial 1685 wave. Many of the later ones went to Westminster of Spitalfields, or towns/cities outside London, such as Canterbury or Norwich. Several went to Ireland and other countries.
In the latter half of the 1700s Bethnal Green and Spitalfields was full of people with Huguenot surnames. My ancestor Francois Fradin died at the French Hospital in London in 1803, he was a silk weaver.
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I`ve just caught up with the Dev Griffin episode. I too would have liked to have seen more about his Jamaican ancestry. I thought he came across as a likeable person; I read an article that said he had bought some transport for the local school children out of the fee he received more making th programme.
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I liked the Lesley Manville episode.
I can relate to her finding an ancestor was sent to Australia as I just found a direct ancestor sent to Australia. Makes any ancestor movement from say Norfolk to Kent (maybe done by horse and cart in a day) look small time compared to 11'000 miles on a 6 to 7 month voyage.
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I've just seen the Lesley Manville episode, and I do appreciate that there must be volumes of research covered which cannot be included in the programme because of time constraints.
But in this particular case, there seem to have been three sets of children (her grandfather's original family, her grandmother Harriet's children with her husband, and the English children of her gx3 grandfather, Aaron) who were all brushed out of the narrative.....
I bet I wasn't the only one thinking that I'd have been following them all up just to see what happened.
And whilst I am indeed very admiring of Aaron's fight back against terribly unfair working conditions (my Ag Lab ancestors also suffered), I wonder what his wife and children thought about his putting himself so much at risk and indeed leaving them behind to struggle......
I know it all wouldn't have fitted in.
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I've just seen the Lesley Manville episode, and I do appreciate that there must be volumes of research covered which cannot be included in the programme because of time constraints.
But in this particular case, there seem to have been three sets of children (her grandfather's original family, her grandmother Harriet's children with her husband, and the English children of her gx3 grandfather, Aaron) who were all brushed out of the narrative.....
I bet I wasn't the only one thinking that I'd have been following them all up just to see what happened.
And whilst I am indeed very admiring of Aaron's fight back against terribly unfair working conditions (my Ag Lab ancestors also suffered), I wonder what his wife and children thought about his putting himself so much at risk and indeed leaving them behind to struggle......
I know it all wouldn't have fitted in.
Absolutely, I couldn't have said it better. I was left non-plused by this episode. There were so many more questions left to answer. They didn't appear to utilise the 1921 census which could have been because the episode was put together before the release of the '21 or because this is an 'Ancestry' produced show and they don't have this dataset.
In terms of Aaron, the Swing riots and his deportation. I thought the man was a widower (or perhaps I'm misremembering....) and yes it is an important part of the story to understand what happened to the family that was left behind.
For me too many gaps in this one that needed to be addressed, and as you say probably on the cutting room floor.
CD
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I may be wrong but I thought Aaron’s wife died in the early 1840’s as my immediate thought on hearing that was to the 1841 census, which wasn’t mentioned.
And given her youngest child was 8 months old at her death (if I heard right) then obviously there was another story to be told about what she did after her husband and brother-in-law’s transportation.
Well that’s Family History, isn’t it - many many threads to follow!!
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According to this biography of Aaron his wife died in 1829.
http://www.johnowensmith.co.uk/riot/personal.htm#hardinga
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According to this biography of Aaron his wife died in 1829.
http://www.johnowensmith.co.uk/riot/personal.htm#hardinga
I’ll replay the programme to see what they said about her death. Quite prepared to be wrong - I was on a treadmill using headphones whilst watching on an iPhone so my memory of what was said certainly questionable :(
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I was totally mistaken - Sarah, Aaron’s wife was buried in Selborne in 1829 - so he was a widower during the Swing riots.
Although, of course, with 9 children to care for it might not be surprising if he’d remarried quite quickly as often seen.
So whilst I’m wrong about the dates again there’s a large number of children whose fates we didn’t hear about. Although James, the key ancestor for Lesley Manville, evidently survived! Probably her cousin who we saw has the research on this.