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I am trying to trace John willie Bennett born 1875 in warrington parents Henry and Mary Bennett I can find him in the 1881 census and the 1901 census but there is no trace of him in the 1891 census any help or suggestions would be most helpful.
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Where do you have him in 1901?
Debra :)
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For anyone looking - 22 Lythgoes Lane
1881 reference
RG11
Piece 3797
Folio 63
Page 33
Birth registered as John William
BENNETT, JOHN WILLIAM mmn TOMLINSON
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter
WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 193
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Burial of mother Mary :-\
Burial: 23 Nov 1884 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Mary Bennett -
Age: 30 yrs
Abode: 22 Lythgoes Lane
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The family are not at 22 Lythgoes Lane in 1891
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I looked earlier and now again and finding the family difficult to find. I know this isn’t John Willie but it might help.
Ellen Bennett
1891 3075/133
Ellen Bennett 11 yrs b Warrington - servant in Whitfield household
Marriage
October 1898
Thomas Marsh and Ellen Bennett (father Henry Bennett pavior)
1901 3581 /19/30
Ellen and Thomas Marsh boarding with a Hackett family.
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Thank you heywood, it does help I was just about to start looking for Ellen :)
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Re above - Hackett family
1899 St Elphin Warrington
Joseph Bennett, father Henry, a pavior marriage to Martha E Hackett.
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The 1873 marriage, St Paul, Warrington of Henry Bennett and Mary Tomlinson shows his father as John.
1871 3906 /89/21
Warrington
Henry Bennett 19yrs b Ormskirk with parents John and Emma.
We have 1881
1891 3098/11
Little Hulton, Bolton
Henry Bennett 38 yrs b Ormskirk, a Pavior with wife Emma - no children with them.
Marriage
1890 Henry Bennett and Emma Eckersley
Would this be Henry, the father of John Willie?
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I have just come across a published tree which has John Willie Bennett marrying Margaret Jane Blue in Bolton in 1895 and emigrating to NY in 1913.
That marriage can be found https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
John Bennett’s father is shown as John Bennett, a coal miner. :-\
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We might be searching for the wrong family, Rosie.
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It is certainly possible ::)
The marriage between Henry & Emma appears to have taken place at a register office.
Some online trees have the father of John that married Margaret J Blue as Richard.
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The online trees suggest that in 1901 JWB is at 21 Princess St, Farnworth, Lancashire with wife Margaret Jane
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Baptism: 2 May 1875 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
John William Bennett - [Child] of Henry Bennett & Mary
Born: Apr 1875
Abode: School Brow
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: E. B. Bagot
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That’s right but the tree, which may be relevant to this thread, isn’t quite right.
Hopefully rayben will come back and review this.
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I have just come across a published tree which has John Willie Bennett marrying Margaret Jane Blue in Bolton in 1895 and emigrating to NY in 1913.
That marriage can be found https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
John Bennett’s father is shown as John Bennett, a coal miner. :-\
Is this another one ?
Marriage: 3 Nov 1895 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
John Bennett - 21 years, Coal Miner, Bachelor, 140 Manchester Road West, Little Hulton
Margaret Jane Blue - (X), 19 years, Domestic Servant, Spinster, 5 Broom Street
Groom's Father: Richard Bennett, Coal Miner
Bride's Father: John Blue, (deceased), Labourer
Witness: James Simmons; Sarah Ellen Hodgkiss
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Oops. apologies.
I must have read it wrongly - the bride’s father is John.
Thanks, wilcoxon. John’s father is Richard as you say.
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Sorry about my mistake I should have said that I cannot find him in the 1901 census, yes Ellen and Joseph Bennett were brother and sister of John Willie, When their mother died Joseph and Ellen were put in an orphanage in Warrington (tried to get some information about this but the orphanage burnt down and all records where lost) Henry took John Willie with him to little Hulten bolton and this is where it gets foggy John willie emigrated to the U.S.A with his wife and children I have been in contact with a person in the U.S.A who is tracing the same Bennett line as me but she has John Willie with different parents in little Hulton, I think that when Henry left warrington with his son they went to Bennett relatives in little Hulton and John willie was left with them as Henry got married again.
I have traced John willie and his family leaving the uk also he came back to the uk in 1913 to try and find his brother and sister but failed and returned to the U.S.A. The original date of his emigration was 1905
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Johns Father was Henry Bennett and not Richard I am certain that this Richard Bennett is some kind of relation of Henry Bennett hence him moving from warrington to little Hulton.
Joseph Johns brother was my grandfather and a lot of this information was given by him.
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If you look on Family search you will find a John William Bennett born 1875 in bolton, and another born in 1875 in leyland fathers name Richard, and my John Wilie born in Warrington father Henry mother Mary siblings Joseph and Ellen
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Is your John, the one who married Margaret Blue?
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This was posted earlier
Marriage: 3 Nov 1895 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
John Bennett - 21 years, Coal Miner, Bachelor, 140 Manchester Road West, Little Hulton
Margaret Jane Blue - (X), 19 years, Domestic Servant, Spinster, 5 Broom Street
Groom's Father: Richard Bennett, Coal Miner
Bride's Father: John Blue, (deceased), Labourer
Witness: James Simmons; Sarah Ellen Hodgkiss
There is a John Bennett in 1891 3098/55
John Bennett 16 yrs b Little Hulton with parents Richard and Frances and siblings.
The address is 140 Manchester Road West, Little Hulton - the same as that marriage record.
John Bennett, 6 yrs is with those parents in 1881.
Does this help? Is the Bennett/Bone marriage the one you mean?
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Now that it has been established that your John BENNETT did not marry Margaret BLUE and go to America, the aim is to find your John after 1881. This takes us back to the original post - where was John in 1891.
You say that information was given to the family by his brother Joseph - did Joseph say that his brother went to America?
As far as I can see there are no John BENNETTS who say they were born in Warrington or Little Hulton that could be him. Is there anywhere else that he might have thought he was born?
Is Joseph in the Warrington Industrial School in 1891? His birthplace is given as Bolton.
Debra :)
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Henry took John Willie with him to little Hulten bolton and this is where it gets foggy John willie emigrated to the U.S.A with his wife and children I have been in contact with a person in the U.S.A who is tracing the same Bennett line as me but she has John Willie with different parents in little Hulton, I think that when Henry left warrington with his son they went to Bennett relatives in little Hulton and John willie was left with them as Henry got married again.
I have traced John willie and his family leaving the uk also he came back to the uk in 1913 to try and find his brother and sister but failed and returned to the U.S.A. The original date of his emigration was 1905
With regard to the emigration records, I can see Margaret and children in 1906 going to her husband in W V
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JFCL-5M4
Here is the 1913 record for John, apparently returning to WV.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JNPT-NML
The family had arrived 8th February.
It may be that the US person is researching this family (with father Richard) and their John is not yours.
Do you have a DNA connection to them?
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Just posting Josephs marriage details for info only
4 Mar 1899 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire
Joseph Bennett - 23, Driver, Bachelor, 59 Ellesmere Street
Martha Ellen Hackett - 23, Spinster, 11 Battersby Lane
Groom's Father: Henry Bennett, occ Pavior
Bride's Father: Edwin Hackett, Foreman occ Bricksetter
Witnesses Edwin Hackett. William Bowness. Edith Sarah Littlewood Hackett. Edith Taylor
1 Jun 1901 at Cleggs Lane Methodist, Little Hulton, Lancashire
Joseph Bennett - 24, Coal Miner, Widower, 98 Market Street Kersley
Mary Jones - 22, Card Room Hand, Spinster, 30 Croft Street Little Hulton
Groom's Father: Henry Bennett, occ Pavior
Bride's Father: Henry Jones, occ Coal Miner
Witnesses Edward Langford; Susannah Edwards
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Warrington, Silver Street Wesleyan Methodist School
John William Bennett - School admission 16 Feb 1884 - Father Henry Bennett 8 Hamilton Street - Last school St Annes - Born 4-1875
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Burial of mother Mary :-\
Burial: 23 Nov 1884 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Mary Bennett -
Age: 30 yrs
Abode: 22 Lythgoes Lane
Good finds Rosie.
So mother died in November 1884 from Lythgoes Lane and John William was admitted to school earlier in February 1884 from Hamilton Street. :-\
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Warrington, Silver Street Wesleyan Methodist School
John William Bennett - School admission 16 Feb 1884 - Father Henry Bennett 8 Hamilton Street - Last school St Annes - Born 4-1875
Reply 13.
The baptism entry also has born April.
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There are a few newspaper snippets which mention Henry Bennett, Warrington in 1880s.
1888
Henry Bennett, and William Dennett were summoned for neglecting to pay towards the maintenance of their children, who are under industrial …
18 August 1888 - Warrington Examiner
Others are under the headline ‘Police Intelligence’.
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Here is the 1913 record for John, apparently returning to WV.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JNPT-NML
The family had arrived 8th February.
He had left his wife behind in England at 300 Manchester Rd and 'no address' in the USA, but by 1921 they were together again at Little Hulton with sons William and Fred.
It may be that the US person is researching this family (with father Richard) and their John is not yours.
The John we are looking for had siblings Joseph and Ellen and was the son of Henry.
Debra :)
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Baptism: 19 Oct 1879 St Peter, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Ellen Bennett - [Child] of Henry Bennett & Mary
Born: 7 Oct 1879
Abode: 25 Lythgoes Lane
Occupation: Labourer
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Baptism: 30 Sep 1877 St Peter, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Joseph Bennett - [Child] of Henry Bennett & Mary
Born: 9 Sep 1877
Abode: 26 Lythgoes Lane
Occupation: Labourer
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Baptism: 18 Apr 1882 St Peter, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Eliza Ann Bennett - [Child] of Henry Bennett & Mary
Born: 7 Apr
Abode: 22 Lythgoes Lane's
Occupation: Pavier
Another child ?
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Baptism: 18 Apr 1882 St Peter, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Eliza Ann Bennett - [Child] of Henry Bennett & Mary
Born: 7 Apr
Abode: 22 Lythgoes Lane's
Occupation: Pavier
Another child ?
Yes the online tree has her dying young
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The John we are looking for had siblings Joseph and Ellen and was the son of Henry.
Debra :)
Joseph and Ellen have been found and we know that it is John William we are searching for. We have tried to show that the migration records are a different family.
Rayben wrote earlier
Henry took John Willie with him to little Hulten bolton and this is where it gets foggy John willie emigrated to the U.S.A with his wife and children I have been in contact with a person in the U.S.A who is tracing the same Bennett line as me but she has John Willie with different parents in little Hulton, I think that when Henry left warrington with his son they went to Bennett relatives in little Hulton and John willie was left with them as Henry got married again.
I have traced John willie and his family leaving the uk also he came back to the uk in 1913 to try and find his brother and sister but failed and returned to the U.S.A. The original date of his emigration was 1905
This seems to be wrong.
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Just filling in gaps
Warrington, Silver Street Wesleyan Methodist School
John William Bennett - School admission 16 Feb 1884 - Father Henry Bennett 8 Hamilton Street - Last school St Annes - Born 4-1875
15th March 1886 - school admission for Joseph also has father Henry, 8 Hamilton St
4th April 1887 - Joseph & Ellen - same info.
6th February 188 - Ellen - father Henry - 4 Lythgoes Lane - withdrawal 3rd August 1888
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I see on what I presume is your online tree that you have Emmas death as 1918 and that she left a will. Have you noticed that the probate index has that Emma as a widow.
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Could this be Emma in 1901.
She is married but no husband with her. She is a servant with Richard Tonge, a publican.
Name
Emma Bennett
Birth
abt 1856 Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Residence
1901 Farnworth, Farnworth, Lancashire, England
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1911 ?
Emma is with a James Wright and his family.
Name Emma Bennett 55
estimated Birth Year 1856
Relation to Head Visitor
Birth Place Little Hulton, Lancashire,
Address 4 Church St Little Hulton Nr Bolton
Marital Status Single
Occupation Charwoman
The probate for Emma Bennett 1918 / 1919 names Thomas Wright.
Not sure if this is helpful but here it is anyway🙂
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yes it is good help thank you everyone for your searches
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Are you in agreement with us that the John Willie who married Margaret Jane Blue is not your John William Bennett
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Glad it helps.
What do you think about ‘John Bennett’?
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The 1873 marriage, St Paul, Warrington of Henry Bennett and Mary Tomlinson.
Full details.
Marriage: 13 Mar 1873 St Paul, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Henry Bennett - (X), 20, Labourer, Bachelor, Lythgoes Lane
Mary Tomlinson - (X), 19, Spinster, Lythgoes Lane.. no fathers name.
Groom's Father: John Bennett, Labourer
Witness: William Dennett; Mary Ann Bennett
Posted by Heywood
There are a few newspaper snippets which mention Henry Bennett, Warrington in 1880s.
1888
Henry Bennett, and William Dennett were summoned for neglecting to pay towards the maintenance of their children, who are under industrial …
18 August 1888 - Warrington Examiner
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That’s interesting, thank you, wilcoxon.
I didn’t notice that.
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It's certainly a difficult family to track.😉
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Hopefully, after all this hard work, rayben might add to that brief comment.
It is difficult but there does seem to be two John Bs and it would be good to know if we have helped solve the difficulty.
However, if it is so, John Willie has not been found. :-\
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My John W Bennett did marry Mary Jane blue and they emigrated to America in 1906 I have followed John and his family through the American census records, what I didn't know is that when he came back to look up his family is that he brought his wife with him, I was led to believe he came alone as the children would have been to young to be left alone. this bit of information was given by my grandfather Joseph, johns brother.
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Gro index.Bennett
All registered Bolton district. Mmn Blue.
Fred 1896 Sept qtr
Mary 1898 June qtr
Norah 1900 Sept qtr
Frances 1902 Sept qtr
Alice 1905 March qtr
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New York Passenger Arrivals Ellis Island), 1892-1924
Ancestry.
Only Mary Jane Bennett and 3 children are on this list together. Fred, Frances and Alice.
She is joining her Husband John who is already there in Glen Jean ? WV , presumably West Virginia.
Where are the other children Norah and Mary, have they died ?
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All the records found point to John Bennett b 1874, Little Hulton - son of Richard and Frances (Fletcher).
None of the records show John William or John W.
In 1921 census, Little Hulton, John Bennett states his place of birth is Little Hulton as does his emigration record in 1922.
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Mary Bennett death 1898 Dec qtr aged O Bolton.
Norah Bennett death 1900 Dec qtr aged 0 Bolton
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Baptism: 17 Jul 1898 St Paul Peel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Mary Bennett - [Child] of John Bennett & Margaret Jane
Born: 28 May 1898
Abode: 31 Spring Gardens
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: H E Alderson Vicar
Burial: 5 Oct 1898 St Paul, Peel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Mary Bennett - dr. of John Bennett
Age: 4 months
Abode: Little Hulton
Buried by: H. E. Alderson, Vicsr
Baptism: 21 Oct 1900 St Paul Peel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Norah Bennett - [Child] of John Bennett & Margaret Jane
Born: 12 Sep 1900
Abode: 28 Stoneclough Brow Kearsley
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: W T Mitton Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1885 - 1901, Page 9, Entry 81
Source: LDS Family Search
Burial: 24 Nov 1900 St Paul, Peel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Norah Bennett -
Age: 2 months
Abode: 28 Stoneclough Rd., Kearsley
Buried by: W. T. Mitton, Vicar
Register: Burials 1896 - 1906, Page 48, Entry 381
Source: Wigan History Shop MF1A 30/4
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I apologise for repeating myself but this is not the family of John William, son of Henry.
My John W Bennett did marry Mary Jane blue and they emigrated to America in 1906 I have followed John and his family through the American census records, what I didn't know is that when he came back to look up his family is that he brought his wife with him, I was led to believe he came alone as the children would have been to young to be left alone. this bit of information was given by my grandfather Joseph, johns brother.
This family travel back and forth a few times. As I posted earlier, they are in Little Hulton in 1921, then back in US by 1930.
Margaret Jane and daughter Pearl travel back to New Bury, Bolton (Farnworth) in 1932.
Margaret Jane dies in Farnworth in 1936.
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1901
Name
Fred Bennett b 1896 Little Hulton
Mother
Margaret J Bennett
Father
John Bennett 26 b Little Hulton
Residence
1901 Farnworth, Farnworth, Lancashire, England
Fred is easy to trace in US .
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My John willie was born in 1875 in warrington.Emigrated to America 1906 they sailed on the oceanic on May 18th with wife Margaret and children Fred aged 9, Frances aged 3, and Alice aged 1,they ended up living in Minden ,Fayette County W VA. In 1910 the USA census has him living WV, in Raleigh Co Prosperity TSP With his wife Margaret and children Fred aged 14,Frances aged 8 and William aged 3 no mention of Alice presumed dead. In the 1930 census They are living in NJ Hudson County Harrison TSP, Son William aged 22 working as an inspector in a steel works, Son Fred living next door with wife Elizabeth G is also working as an inspector in a steel works.He returned to the UK for a new passport it was issued 8th Aug 1932.In March 1933 Fred shown as returning to Kearney NJ USA,
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It is difficult as I think you have the wrong man. I am sorry I keep repeating this.
If you look at all the records quoted on here, rayben, you will see that the person you are calling your John Willie, gives:
Little Hulton as his address and birth place and his marriage shows Richard as his father.
Have you opened and looked at the various records?
Where do you have evidence from those records you have that he is who you say he is?
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Here is the marriage showing Richard as the father of John:
https://postimg.cc/bdnZK7pP
Debra :)
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If you look at that marriage certificate you will see that John's address is 140 Manchester Road.
In the 1891 census John is living with his parents Richard and Frances at 140 Manchester Road.
You can see that here.
https://postimg.cc/GB3gYGJp
Debra :)
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Do you have these records?
Margaret J Bennett death 1936, Farnworth. Is this the right Margaret Jane?
I wonder if you have the death certificate.
Did John stay in Bolton after Margaret Jane’s death?
Fred’s return to NJ in 1933 shows his nearest relative as Father - John Bennett, 19 Begonia Avenue, Farnworth
There is a John Bennett in the 1939 register which you could check.
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Debra,
Just to say, all this information has been mentioned earlier in various forms.
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With regard to the 1939 register, we cannot post details.
I would stress that you check it and compare the date of birth of John Bennett in Farnworth and the address.
This is John, son of Richard
John Bennett
Birth 7 Oct 1874
Baptism 18 Oct 1874
Baptism Peel, Deane, Lancashire
Parents Richard Bennett and Frances
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If you look on family search and type in John William Bennett birth 1875 in warrington it will show John with his parents Henry and Mary
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If you look on family search and type in John William Bennett birth 1875 in warrington it will show John with his parents Henry and Mary
Yes, we have that.
However, if you go through this thread and check the various migration records you will see they link to John Bennett of Little Hulton.
The addresses given show the links and are on Family Search.
The baptism of that John with parents Richard and Frances gives a birthdate of October 1874.
The record you mention re Fred gives the address of his father John. See Family Search. The second page of the record.
The 1939 register confirms that address and birth date.
You will need Ancestry or Find my Past to look at 1939.
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Births Sep 1921 Bennett Pearl mmn Blue Bolton 8c635
It would be worth looking for this lady in 1939.
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Debra,
Just to say, all this information has been mentioned earlier in various forms.
Yes I know, I thought it might be useful for rayben to look at the actual documents which I don't think they have so far.
......my grandfather Joseph, johns brother.
If Joseph said that his brother John emigrated to America then you just need to go through the emigration records which will be a difficult job.
I would also be looking at Home Children to Canada.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/Pages/home-children.aspx
There was a John BENNETT who sailed from Liverpool in 1884 aged 9 years.
Debra :)
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Thanks for that Debra.
I thought about the Home children and tried a couple of searches but I am not familiar with them.
I was just saying that all these records have been mentioned and need to be looked at closely.
Rayben , you might only have F S but the migration records hold quite a bit of information. As they are later records, they run over on to two pages.
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I don't think we are going to agree and I will have believe what grandfather told me about the family including him having a brother named JohnWillie who emigrated to the USA and a sister Ellen who I was taken to visit with my grandfather.
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I don't think we are going to agree and I will have believe what grandfather told me about the family including him having a brother named JohnWillie who emigrated to the USA and a sister Ellen who I was taken to visit with my grandfather.
That’s fine, it is your family. We all agree that Henry and Mary had those children. Your grandfather’s brother may have emigrated and returned. We are not disputing that either.
I can only urge you to check the records though. Your last one re Fred really confirms our information, I think.
You did mention that the US contact has a different father for John Bennett so perhaps you could explore their family records too.
Best wishes with your research
Heywood :)
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Idenden Family Tree
It might be worth you checking this tree on Ancestry.
It has all the people you have going to America.
It also has details of Pearl Bennett mmn Blue .
In 1944 Pearl married Thomas Berry, this matches the details on 1939 register.
Have you got your Grandfather's marriage certificate.
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Idenden Family Tree
It might be worth you checking this tree on Ancestry.
It has all the people you have going to America.
It also has details of Pearl Bennett mmn Blue .
In 1944 Pearl married Thomas Berry, this matches the details on 1939 register.
Have you got your Grandfather's marriage certificate.
We have already established that this BENNETT family is not rayben's family. They are looking for the brother of their grandfather Joseph.
Debra :)
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...... he came back to the uk in 1913 to try and find his brother and sister but failed and returned to the U.S.A.
If he couldn't find his family, how did Joseph know that John had returned to look for them?
Debra :)
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Idenden Family Tree
It might be worth you checking this tree on Ancestry.
It has all the people you have going to America.
It also has details of Pearl Bennett mmn Blue .
In 1944 Pearl married Thomas Berry, this matches the details on 1939 register.
Have you got your Grandfather's marriage certificate.
We have already established that this BENNETT family is not rayben's family. They are looking for the brother of their grandfather Joseph.
Debra :)
Yes I realise that but there is enough there to prove that it cannot be the ones that Rayber believes to be his family.
Unfortunately he doesn't agree.
I suggest the Grandfather Josephs marriage certificate to confirm fathers name, also names of witnesses that might help.
Perhaps it's already been found to be Henry Bennett, occupation? deceased?
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Joseph's two marriages are transcribed on Lancs. OPC, both have Henry, a pavior, as father. This was mentioned in the thread earlier on. Ellen's marriage to Thomas MARSH in 1898 is also there.
https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
There is no doubt that the three are siblings, it is just the problem of what happened to John after the 1881 census. The last sighting of him was a school record from Feb 1884.
Debra :)
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Of course they are, apologies. 🙂
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Sorry about my mistake I should have said that I cannot find him in the 1901 census, yes Ellen and Joseph Bennett were brother and sister of John Willie, When their mother died Joseph and Ellen were put in an orphanage in Warrington (tried to get some information about this but the orphanage burnt down and all records where lost)
After Marys death all three children appear to still be living with their father as school admittance records name him with the families address. They do not appear to have gone into an orphanage immediately.
The latest school record I can see for John W was admittance on 16th February 1886 - Joseph 4th April 1887 and Ellen 6 February 1888 all 3 naming Henry and giving the family address. It was later in 1888 that Henry was summoned for not paying towards his children who were receiving industrial training as previously mentioned. The industrial school in Warrington at this time appears to be this one https://www.formerchildrenshomes.org.uk/padgate_cottage_homes.html
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Warrington, Silver Street Wesleyan Methodist School
John William Bennett - School admission 16 Feb 1884 - Father Henry Bennett 8 Hamilton Street - Last school St Annes - Born 4-1875
Sorry everybody but I misread that school admission date it should be 1886
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=248536.msg1368541#msg1368541
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=46177.9
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=205590.9
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=219458.msg1148570#msg1148570
Some more posts regarding this family.
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Gosh, those are old posts and I think we have found a bit more about the family in general.
Rosie tells us that Joseph’s school admission was 4th April 1887, from the home address.
There is a newspaper snippet possibly about Joseph involved in theft and Henry in 1889.
I think we have mentioned that this is likely to be Joseph in 1891 3082/60 in the industrial school, so perhaps things just went wrong in those couple of years.
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Hi Dundee at the time of his brother search for him Joseph was working as a miner in Sutton manor his brother had gone to Sutton looking for him, Joseph was informed by mine workers who lived in Sutton but sadly to late for Joseph. Sutton Manor was a pit village as Sutton also had a great deal of miners living there and some of them would be working at Sutton Manor colliery and Sutton is only 3/4 miles away.
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On the Family search you can see a copy of the marriage cert from Warrington parish registers of Joseph Bennett & Martha Ellen Hacket which shows his father as Henry Bennett.Also on Family search you can see Josephs christening date which shows his father as Henry Bennett and mother as Mary, in the Warrington parish records you will find John Williams Birth with his mother named as Mary Tomlinson who was the wife of Henry Bennett
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Son Fred living next door with wife Elizabeth G is also working as an inspector in a steel works.He returned to the UK for a new passport it was issued 8th Aug 1932.In March 1933 Fred shown as returning to Kearney NJ USA,
Fred’s return in 1933
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24J1-FNF
Here is the second page of that record - the top line shows Fred’s father’s details - 19 Begonia Avenue
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sai/
Lancashire Electoral Registers Farnworth 1939
19 Begonia Avenue, Farnworth
John and Ruth Bennett
He is there in 1934
John Bennett
Margaret Jane Bennett
William Bennett
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Son Fred living next door with wife Elizabeth G is also working as an inspector in a steel works.He returned to the UK for a new passport it was issued 8th Aug 1932.In March 1933 Fred shown as returning to Kearney NJ USA,
Fred’s return in 1933
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24J1-FNF
Here is the second page of that record - the top line shows Fred’s father’s details - 19 Begonia Avenue
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sai/
Lancashire Electoral Registers Farnworth 1939
19 Begonia Avenue, Farnworth
John and Ruth Bennett
He is there in 1934
John Bennett
Margaret Jane Bennett
William Bennett
Image 166 of the 1933 record has Fred's sister Frances Flatt/ Platt, he is going to stay with her.
Surely these are the children of Margaret Jane Blue and John Bennett son of Richard Bennett.
I'm getting confused now.😉
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Hi Rayben
You mentioned that John William moved with his father to Little Hulton and that after Henry remarried J.W. Was living with family. Do you have him with that family on a census if so could you please give the details
Rosie
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Do you have the exact date of birth for John William Bennett
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There is this baptism
2 May 1875 St Elphin, Warrington
John William Bennett - born April 1875
Parents Henry Bennett & Mary
Abode: School Brow
Occupation: Labourer
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hi Heywood that is the date and place of my John, today looking through smart matches on my heritage it shows in additional on John Willie that he died in America
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TO Rosie 99 the date and place of his birth is the correct one posted by Heywood
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hi Heywood that is the date and place of my John, today looking through smart matches on my heritage it shows in additional on John Willie that he died in America
If they are smart matches, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are. I am not sure of this but I think it works like that on Ancestry.
There is a tree on Ancestry with a tree owner with a name similar to your name here. It is a tree for John Willie Bennett.
What I don’t understand is that there is a photo of Margaret Jane with some of her children.
This photo also appears with other family photos (including John Bennett) in the tree already quoted here several times re John Bennett of Richard and Frances.
Did you see the migration record for Fred and the address in Begonia Avenue, Farnworth?
I also posted that John Bennett is at that address in 1939 electoral registers with Ruth Bennett and earlier years with Margaret Jane,
Lancs BMD shows:
Death 1936 Margaret J Bennett 57 yrs, Farnworth
Marriage 1937 John Bennett and Ruth Pollitt, St John the Evangelist, Farnworth and Kearsley.
Again, I want to stress that these records refer to the ones posted several times in this thread and this John is not John William.
He also has a different date of birth in the 1939 register to your John W.
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Burial: 16 Jan 1936 St James, New Bury, Farnworth, Lancashire, England
Margaret Jane Bennett -
Age: 57
Abode: 19 Begonia Ave. Farnworth
Grave: F.25
John Bennett is probably in the same burial place but Lancs OPC doesn't cover that date.
Deaths Dec 1958 BENNETT John age 84 Farnworth
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TO Rosie 99 the date and place of his birth is the correct one posted by Heywood
That is the baptism, the exact date of birth would be on his birth certificate.
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The transcript shows ‘born April 1875’
The civil registration shows June quarter 1875
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It would be good to get the accurate date though, it may help find him through other records and discount all that are possibilities
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That’s true and we haven’t got very far with him, have we? It’s so frustrating.
The ‘other’ John Bennett and his family are well documented. I found more records earlier but thought it best not to post them as I feel sure they are not rayben’s family. :-\
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Hi,
Afraid I am coming to this post rather late but there are a couple of trees which suggest that John may have emigrated to Canada?
If so there is a potential emigration in 1906 from Liverpool to Quebec on a ship Lake Manitoba departing on 26 Sept 1906 possible occupation - Miner age 30, Could this be him?
The Canada 1926 Winnipeg North Centre census on familysearch.org has him as a Lodger at 325 Ballantyne Ave, Winnipeg, Manitoba single, age 50.
Perhaps worth looking into?
Alan
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The transcript shows ‘born April 1875’
The civil registration shows June quarter 1875
Image is here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-996J-34CY?i=323&cat=725716
Interestingly he is also entered as William a few lines below it.
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That’s great. It may have been an error if someone was copying up the registers.
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The 1873 marriage, St Paul, Warrington of Henry Bennett and Mary Tomlinson shows his father as John.
1871 3906 /89/21
Warrington
Henry Bennett 19yrs b Ormskirk with parents John and Emma.
We have 1881
1891 3098/11
Little Hulton, Bolton
Henry Bennett 38 yrs b Ormskirk, a Pavior with wife Emma - no children with them.
Marriage
1890 Henry Bennett and Emma Eckersley
Would this be Henry, the father of John Willie?
Just to keep it all together :)
Probably Henrys burial
Burial: 29 Jun 1909 St Paul, Peel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Henry Bennett -
Age: 68 years
Abode: 4 Old Pole, Little Hulton
Buried by: J. P. Wilson
Discounted see following posts
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Burial: 4 Mar 1908 St Paul, Peel, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
Catherine Bennett -
Age: 67 years
Abode: 4 Old Pole, Little Hulton
Buried by: J. P. Wilson
1901 4 Old Pole
Henry Bennet 61 coalminer
Catrain 61
George 39.
George is possibly their only son, they are at that address in previous census
Henry's father was Abraham Bennett , source 1862 marriage of Henry to Catherine Jones ,both of Little Hulton.
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I don’t think that is the right Henry. Henry Bennett (widowed) married Emma Eckersley.
It is documented earlier.
She, though, is not with him after 1891 3098/11.
Henry’s occupation was a Pavior and was born abt 1852.
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I don’t think that is the right Henry. Henry Bennett (widowed) married Emma Eckersley.
It is documented earlier.
She, though, is not with him after 1891 3098/11.
Henry’s occupation was a Pavior and was born abt 1852.
Yes I agree, I posted the burial of Catherine Bennett so he could be discounted.
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O K, thanks. :)
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I agree, I have crossed it out on my post. So where did he die, ever hopeful that there will be some mention of JW ::)