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Am just starting researching the history of a house in Forton called The Elms for a friend. The only name they have is Braddock which was who they bought it off. Anyone know any info?
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I've had a look at the 1921 census and two families are living at that address. Ann Float and her son Arthur and the Meadows family, husband, wife and daughter.
I'll have a look and see if I can locate this address in the 1939 register.
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Nothing coming up for The Elms in the 1939.
Added: If the house is/was called The Elms then it must have been in a road with a name. Does your friend know the name of the road?
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I've come up with this from a property website:-
The Elms, Wallace Lane, Forton, Preston, Wyre, Lancashire, PR3 0BA
Last sold in May 2011 for £280,000.
I'll see if I can get anywhere for Wallace Lane in the 1939.
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I think it is Wallace Lane. There are a couple of newspapers snippets regarding sales of the g house but no names.
The former occupant is shown in electoral registers 2004/7 and is found under her maiden name in 1939 but not at that address.
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Yes, Heywood I've come to the conclusion that it is in Wallace Lane. The Land Registry is a possible option but it does cost money to find out who owners were of a property.
The other cheaper? way would be to go through electoral registers which would be quite a slog.
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Lancashire Evening Post 3 Sep 1920, page 8 col 4
FORTON - For Sale by Private Treaty, Dwelling-house, known as "The Elms' situate in Wallace-lane, Forton, with the garden, orchard, barn and outbuildings, together with Close of Land adjoining and containing 3 roods, 1 perch or thereabouts; vacant possession. - For particulars, apply, Messrs E.G. Clark & Gardner, Solicitors, Lancaster.
Lancashire Evening Post 30 Jun 1921, page 1, col 7
Large well furnished Bedroom and Sitting Room piano, attendance, to be Let -- Mrs Meadows, The Elms, Forton, near Garstang
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Lancashire Evening Post 3 Nov 1904, page 4 col 6
FOUND DROWNED IN POOL
Early this morning the body of Simon Gerard, of the Elms, Wallace-lane, Forton near Garstang was found in a pond close to Moss-lane, Forton in the vicinity of the deceased's residence, The deceased had been missing from his home since Wednesday mroning. It is stated that Gerard had for some time past been rather strange in his manner
1901 census search for Simon Gerard in Forton shows he was a farmer, no house name recorded but he did live on Wallace Lane
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Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer 08 November 1921 Page 10 Column 4
This is an article about Arthur Edward Float having to pay damages for seducing a lady on the promise of marrying her, but did not do so.
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Lancashire Evening Post 23 Feb 1945 page 3 col 8
Deaths
DANIEL -On the 21st inst at The Elms, Forton EDWARD the beloved husband of ELIZABETH DANIEL aged 65 years Interment St Michael's Chirch, Cockerham, Saturday 1pm. Relatives and friends plase accept this (the only) intimation.
and search the 1939 register for Edward Daniel and though FindMyPast transcript (not checked Ancestry) has The Elms on 'Winder Lane", if you look at the image I believe it actually says Wallace Lane (ditto'ed from The Homestead 4 households prior to this entry.
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Probate calendar 1945
DANIEL Edward of The Elms Wallace Lane, Forton Lancashire died 21 Feb 1945 Probate Lancaster 13 September to Elizabeth Daniel widow and John Daniel farmer effects £3920 8s 1d
Probate Calendar 1904
GERRARD Simon of the 'Elms' Wallace-lane Forton near Garstang Lancashire farmer died 3 Nov 1904 Administration Lancaster 14 Dec to John Gerrard tailor and draper Effects £204 10s 5d
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The house was sold by the Meadows family in 1935
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Lancashire Evening Post 3 Apr 1935 p2 c2
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1911 census
John Peters Lyle and family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X49F-DK2
that transcript doesn't give the address you'd need to see the image to confirm it
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I just checked the 1911 Boo and the transcript on Find My Past has the address as The Elms etc. so is the right one.
Beginning to get a few names for this address now.
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1905
NameJohn Gerrard
Residence Date 1905
Residence Street Address The Elms Wallace Lane Forton
Residence Place Lancashire, England
Parlimentary Division Lancaster
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Name Simeon Gerrard
Residence Date 1905
Residence Street Address The Elms Wallace Lane Forton
Residence Place Lancashire, England
Parlimentary Division Lancaster
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In 1901, the address for the Gerard family is Wallace Lane. Simon Gerard is a farmer.
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1881 census Simon Gerrard in Forton (no street or house name) farmer of 2 acres
1884 electoral register Simon Gerrard occupier of house and land Wallace Lane (no house name)
1891 census Simon Gerrard, general labourer, at Wallace Lane
1939 Electoral Register Edward Daniel at the Elms
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This seems to be what we have collectively found as possible/likely, though as per its higgledepiggledy as various people have found different things in different time frames.
It sometimes helps to see a sort of timeline
1881 census - Simon Gerrard in Forton as farmer of 2 acres - no street or house name- reply 17
1884 electoral register Simon Gerrard in Forton occupier of house and land Wallace Lane- reply 17
1891 census- Simon Gerrard at Wallace Lane, no house name - reply 17
1901 census -Simon Gerrard Wallace Lane, no house name - reply 7 & reply 16
1904 newspaper article - death of Simon 'Gerard' of the Elms - reply 7
1904 Probate Calendar - Simon Gerrard of The Elms - reply 10
1905 Electoral register - John Gerrard (?Simon's son) at The Elms - reply 14
1905 Electoral register - Simeon Gerrard at The Elms - reply 16
1911 census - John Peters Lyle at The Elms - replies 12 & 13
1920 Advert - house for sale - reply 6
1921 Advert - rooms to let by Mrs Meadows -reply 6
1921 census - 2 households Meadows and Float - reply 1
1921 Newspaper article - Arthur Edward Float, breach of promise - reply 8
1935 Advert - house for sale , owner Mr Jno Robt Meadows - reply 11
1939 National ID register - Edward Daniel at The Elms - reply 9
1939 Electoral Register - Edward Daniel at The Elms- reply 17
1945 Newspaper death notice - Edward Daniel of The Elms - reply 9
1945 Probate Calendar - Edward Daniel of The Elms - reply 10
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Coming in very late on this one ...
Forton Village Voice June/July 2021
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And another ...
Auction 1916