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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: CheritonF on Friday 05 May 23 04:30 BST (UK)
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Hi
Has anyone researched the MOOREs of Tettenhall during the mid-1700s and earlier? My own is rather stuck on the 'Hugh Moore line', the Hugh Moore who was 107 years when he died in 1839!
There seem to be other unrelated Moores over time living in and around Tettenhall. I call them the 'Richard Moore line' and the 'Joseph Moore line'. Just speculating but guessing that there has to be a common link to join them if the available records just went back far enough!
So far I have Richard Moore who married Sarah Onyons in 1721 and who had a son Richard, possibly the one who first married Katherine Gnosall (1750) at Wolverhampton and then Martha Lees at Tettenhall in 1757. Junior may have had a connection to WOOLRIDGE of Brewood.
Then there is a Hugh Moore who married Sarah Taylor in 1710 and had a son Hugh jnr in 1722 but who surely could not be the the first Hugh Moore I mentioned with a calculated birth year of around 1732. Because of the continuance of the Hugh first name I'm inclined to think there's a missing generation somewhere but guesswork that it's even the same line. There is an unmatched Hugh Moore who died in 1791.
Next, the first Joseph appears as father in a number of baptisms with wife Mary between 1778 and 1792. His son Joseph and daughter Hannah both marry into different generations of the 'Hugh line'.
If anyone has any info I'd love to hear from you.
Em
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I note the GRO death and the burial of a Hugh on freereg; the later has no age recorded.
The children of Hugh & Sarah below would seem to indicate to me that the age at death of Hugh junior in 1839 may be the error, rather than a missing generation. The only way to be sure is to get the death registration.
Tettenhall: St Michael and All Angels: Other Transcript
Hugh MORE Baptism 22 Jul 1714 Burial 3 Dec 1721
Job MOORE Baptism 14 Feb 1716/17
Mary MOORE Baptism 11 Feb 1719/20
Richard MOORE Baptism 22 Feb 1721/22
Hugh MOORE Baptism 09 Dec 1722
Sarah MOORE Baptism 13 Mar 1724/25 Burial 27 Aug 1727
Hannah Moor Burial 2 Oct 1729
No age on burials, freereg
Sarah MOORE widow Burial 26 May 1767
So likely burial of Hugh senior.
Hugh MOORE Burial 15 Jun 1745
So may be the burial of Hugh junior born 1722, is more realistic?
Hugh MOORE Burial 10 Mar 1791
Colin
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Hello
I'm with you .Hugh has to fit in somewhere.The Death registration does give 107 years but it may be a bit out.
If we look at the Will for Hugh who died 1745 (it says of Penn but it is him).
We have his beloved wife Sarah who gets cattle,chattels and household stock for life or until her remarriage plus the interest on £40.
Son Paul gets best horse or mare plus 1 shilling
Daughter Mary Shirt gets to pick her best cow
Hugh gets the £40 after Sarah's death.
Paul and Mary get the cattle and stock after Sarah's death.
Executors Paul Moor and Joseph Skirt
made 14th March 1739.
Hannah bapt 14.10.1710 Codsall d of Hugh and Sarah
Job's baptism gives them as of Compton in 1716/7
Mary married Joseph Skirt 13.6.1737 at Tettenhall
Hugh born 1722 is probably the one who dies 1791
We can assume Paul is older than Hugh who was born in 1722 ,so he marries Margaret Tonks 24 Dec 1742 age 30 ish probably born around 1712 although I can't see a baptism
Paul moves to Wednesfield but is buried back at Tettenhall Mar 1777.
Children I can see -Sarah at Tettenhall 18.11.1743
Thomas 29 May 1749 at Wolverhampton of Wednesfield Died 22.6.1751
Joseph 14 Jan 1752 Bushbury married Kingswinford Mary Beckett widow 14 Sep 1780 farmer of Tettenhall age 30.by licence.
Thomas 11 June 1754 at Bushbury Buried 16.7.1758
So plenty of room for a son Hugh b c 1745 and therefore 23 when he marries Ann Parkes and 94 when he dies.
Does that sound plausible?
ps I'm guessing Hugh senior and Richard are either brothers or uncle and nephew with a connection to Edward and Mary Moore of Trysull -children 1670-1687
Ciderdrinker
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A few snippets, not sure if this helps?
Wolverhampton Chronicle and Staffordshire Advertiser
Wednesday 21 February 1866
NAME OF FIRM
THE WOLVERHAMPTON & STAFFORDSHIRE BANKING COMPANY
Persons of whom the Company or Partnership consists (listed alphabetically)
MOORE Hugh, deceased: Mrs S MOORE, care of Lea, Penn-road Wolverhampton
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Wolverhamton Chronicle and Staffordshire Advertiser
Wednesday 19 February 1862
THE WOLVERHAMPTON AND STAFFORDSHIRE BANKING COMPNAY
Persons of whom the Company or Partnership consists.
MOORE Hugh, Palmer's Cross, Tettenhall, near Wolverhampton (deceased)
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Wolverhampton Chronicle, Wednesday 18 February 1846
COPY of RETURN, pursuant to 7 and 8 Victoria,
Name of Firm
WOLVERHAMPTON AND STAFFORDSHIRE BANKING COMPANY
Persons of whom the Company or Partnership consists (listed Alphbetically)
Hugh MOORE (deceased), Palmer's Cross, near ditto (names above, says, Wolverhampton)
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WOLVERHAMPTON CHRONICLE AND STAFFORDSHIRE ADVERTISER
Wednesday 13 November 1839
NOTICE TO DEBTORS AND CREDITORS
All persons having any demands against the estate of HUGH MOORE, late of Compton, in the parish of Tettenhall, in the county of Stafford, gentleman, deceased, are requested to send the particulars thereof to me, that the same may be examined and discharged.
And all persons indebted to the estate, are requested to pay the respective amounts to MR WILLIAM SPROSON, Jun, of Wightwick, in the parish of Tettenhall aforesaid, one of the executors, or to me
HENRY CRISP
Solicitor to the Executors
Wolverhampton, November 13 1839.
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Wolverhampton Chronicle and Staffordshire Advertiser
Wednesday 4 December 1861
On the 24th ultimo, at Haughton, near Shifnal,
Sarah, relict of the late MR HUGH MOORE, of Palmer's Cross, in the 81st year of her age.
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Wolverhampton Chronicle and Staffordshire Advertiser
Wednesday 6 May 1835
DIED
On the 17th ult. in the 62nd year of his age
Mr HUGH MOORE, farmer and grazier, of Palmer's Cross, in the parish of Tettenhall.
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This HUGH MOORE c1773
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Found confirmation of the age of Mr Hugh MOORE
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Wolverhampton Chronicle and Staffordshire Advertiser
Wednesday 12 June 1839
On the 6th instant, at the advanced age of 107, Mr HUGH MOORE OF COMPTON.
(c1732)
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Aris's Birmingham Gazette
Monday 21 March 1791
Last week, Mr Hugh Moore, of Compton, near Wolverhampton
aged about 70
(c1721)
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Tettenhall. Poll books etc.
1833 Hugh Moore junior, Palmers Cross Farm, in this Parish
1837/1838 – Compton House & Land
More baptisms on Ancestry for Hugh & Sarah, still no Paul.
Thomas Moore
Baptism 6 Mar 1816 Tettenhall, Staffordshire
Eliza Moor
Baptism 11 Mar 1823 Tettenhall, Staffordshire,
Colin
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There is a tree on Ancestry for Paul Moore, also this below.
Paul Moore
Birth Abt. 1718
Death 1777
Colin
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Hi
I realised last night that Wolverhampton and Tettenhall are Peculiars and their Wills be on different lists to the normal Bishop of Lichfield
There is a Admin
Paul Moore pig jobber Wednesfield 1779 which looks like your man.
https://staffsnameindexes.org.uk/default.aspx?RecordID=117459&Index=C&LastName=moore&Place=&YearFrom=1600&YearTo=1790&Part=0&County=0&Gender=0&Occupation=&PageIndex=18
It's not on FindMyPast so you'd have to buy a copy but it might give a son Hugh doing the Inventary or claiming the estate which would connect everything up.
There are also a couple of apprentices in the 1700s
Jane Hilldick to Richard Moore of Barnhurst 1751
Elizabeth Bradshaw 8 yrs until 21 1767 to Hugh Moors Tettenhall yeoman of Compton
Elizabeth Hill 1773 to Hugh Moor of Wergs Tettenhall
Elizabeth LLewallen to Josh of Diptons 1795
Hugh Moor age 10 26 May 1820 to Joseph Moor of Shifnal until 21 years
Thomas Moore 10 husbandry to Richard Evans of Wolverhampton 24 May 1820
Richard Moore 1798 to Edward Badger
Richard Moore of Wednesfield /Tettenhall to Peers 1815
Ciderdrinker
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Thank you very much Everyone for sending through your finds!
I'm not sure I'll be able to address them all right now but here goes....
Firstly you have encouraged me to look a little bit further afield...
Re: Hugh #1's age, as noted his age is reported consistently in registration, parish records and newspapers. The only doubt if there is one, is that the informant was Wm Sproson, either his son-in-law or his grandson neither of whom may have known early history, only what they were told! (Too cynical?)
On the other hand he did outlive 4 and possibly 6 of his children who survived to adulthood!
He was of Compton which makes Job's baptism entry as per Ciderdrinker intriguing and lends weight to it being in the same family line - Thx.
Also links to apprenticeship in 1767
Agreed that the Hugh who died in 1745 was Hugh#0, the father of Hugh bap. 1722 and this latter one is possibly the Hugh who died in 1791. Is that what you thought?
I believe that the references to Hugh of Palmers Cross are to Hugh#2, son of Hugh#1
I wondered about the marriage licence for Joseph M. and Mary Beckett - the marriage occurred after the first (allocated) child was baptised - didn't ignore it as being the same couple but hadn't definitely linked it. Need to look again.
This is from his will, written 1835 (died 1839): bequeaths all freehold and copyhold located in Compton and in Wolverhampton or elsewhere - without specifying any individual property. Could this possibly be an ‘umbrella’ statement and didn’t mean he actually held this property at the time of his death?
But estate may have taken until 1847 or even 1855 to settle (as per Death Duty register).
Thanks once again to all for taking the time to look into what you have already. I need to re-evaluate what i have and what you have presented and look wider than Tettenhall/Codsall!
Em
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WILLIAM SPROSON and WILLIAM SPROSON JNR.
Wolverhampton Chronicle and Staffordshire Advertiser
Wednesday 20 September 1837
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, that the Partnership which lately subsisted bteween us, the undersigned WILLIAM SPROSON and WILLIAM SPROSON the younger, of Wightwick, in the Parish of Tettenhall, in the county of Stafford, millers, was on this day dissolved by mutual consent, and that all debts due to or owing from the said partnership concern will be received and paid by the said WILLIAM SPROSON the younger:
as witness our hands this 25day of September 1837
WILLIAM SPROSON
WILLIAM SPROSON, Jnr.