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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: chrisos on Saturday 29 April 23 07:08 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am currently researching a family by the name of Sullivan in Auckland, in particular Mortimer Sullivan and his wife Catherine Hanlon who arrived from Co Kerry in 1875 on the "Ocean Mail". Their last 2 children, Margaret and Edward Mortimer were born in New Zealand and the family were known to live in the Mt Albert area of Auckland. For various reasons I believe that Mortimer may have had siblings in New Zealand who had already emigrated and I am trying to find a link between the families to prove my theory.
I have obtained Mortimer Sullivan's death cert which unfortunately does not provide his father's name. My next step is to consult the Sacramental Records for Baptisms for St Patrick's Cathedral, Auckland in the hope that sponsors' names may provide a clue. Margaret was born in 1877 (I do not have an exact date) and Edward Mortimer was born 23 May 1880.
Would anyone be willing to look up these 2 baptisms on the St Patrick's Sacramental Records for me please. From what I can see they are only available by consulting them in person in Auckland and I live in NSW, Aust. Any help would be very welcome as I am in the process of writing a research paper on the Sullivans and would like to include Mortimer and his family in this if possible.
Regards
Chris O'Sullivan
Riverina, NSW
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If no one can do this for you try emailing St Patricks yourself.
I did this earlier this year;
info I provided to them;
I was just wondering if you could help me with my genealogical research of my Family Tree.
Do you have an Archivist in the Cathedral who may be able to help?
My Cummins Family had close ties to the Catholic Church and settled in Ararimu 1865.
I am trying to solve a mystery on my other line and have my Great Grandmother Mary Jane Purdys Marriage Notice in the paper 1894 where it is mentioned she is a Cousin of;
Father COSTELLO late of Auckland
Mary Janes Mother was a Costello
I have researched Father Costello and think he was Father Parrick Costello
The Cathedral Secretary passed the above onto the Diocesan Archives who provided me with info very quickly.
Trish :)
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Hi Trish
Many thanks for the excellent suggestion. I have just sent an email via their web site. Hopefully someone will get back to me as this is the last avenue I can explore.
Chris
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Good luck and I hope it works :)
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Have you done any checking in Ireland? So identifying siblings and then tracking them forward.
The Irish had a naming pattern and this can be useful in tracking the families.
he Irish naming pattern is as follows:
1st son is named after the father’s father.
2nd son is named after the mother’s father.
3rd son is named after the father.
4th son is named after the father’s eldest brother.
1st daughter is named after the mother’s mother.
2nd daughter is named after the father’s mother.
3rd daughter is named after the mother.
4th daughter is named after the mother’s eldest sister.
What were the names and birth order of the children of this couple.
I agree it is possible that siblings may have already arrived but do not overlook less closely related relatives and also that they may have gone to different parts of NZ. I had relatives who I think were part of a wider family chain migration - cousins from the same village and they went to Timaru and my lot stayed in Auckland.
This is a good website
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
ETA: I have seen some records are under the name of O'Sullivan and that Catherine Hanlon's name is some times recorded as Katherine.
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Hi
Thank you for replying so quickly. Yes, I have trawled through the Sullivan BDMs for Kilgarvan on www.irishgenealogy.ie/en and have identified the correct Sullivan family with births/baptisms commencing from 1830 (I am finding the sponsor and witness names very useful).
The reason I believe that Mortimer is connected to my NZ Sullivan family is because the male first names in both families are identical going back several generations and both families lived in the same area of Auckland. I am also using DNA matches on Ancestry to help fill in unknown family connections, as well as trying to build up family structures using the 1826 Tithe Applotment Records and the 1847 Griffiths Valuation using confirmed townland locations. I have even consulted the NZ Old Colonists Association Register but without any success.
If anyone can suggest further records I can consult, I would be very grateful.
Regards
Chris
Gundagai, NSW
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Hi Chris
Just for starters (I have some other information for you also, which I'll add shortly) ... on the passenger list for the "Ocean Mail" to Auckland 1875, information for the O'SULLIVAN* family group, shows that they were "Colonial-Nominated" emigrants to NZ.
The reference on the passenger list reads >
O'SULLIVAN [Parents and 6 children - all named]
Colonial - Nominated - AUCK. - 815
Colonial-nominated (generally) refers to the fact that someone > usually a relative or friend already living in the Colony of New Zealand > has made a part or full payment of the passage monies for a person or group. (Sometimes a guarantee or provision of work, was also included for the emigrant/emigrants so nominated.)
Sorry, but I can't help with further information for >Colonial Nominations - AUCK 815 .
Hopefully someone here who is familiar with Auckland records, can point in the direction of where they can be found (archives / library etc. ) ;)
Also, just pointing out that O'SULLIVAN is the name in which most New Zealand records for this family, appear. [You may like to also include that spelling in your topic heading ? :) ]
~ Lu
more to follow > >
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In case these records, which you may not already have, are of use ?
Probate record (and Will) of Murty* O'SULLIVAN >
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE47729468
[ *Murty ... found this derivative of Mortimer's name, in an In Memoriam notice for his son. "Murty" also appears on the Administration (Intestate) file of his wife Catherine (died 1927). ;)]
Catherine O'SULLIVAN [ w/o "Murty"] (d. 1927 - Intestate) - Admin. 1929
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE65777917
... not much info - but does show she had a 1/3 share of Murty O'SULLIVAN's estate :
Catherine O'SULLIVAN - daughter (a.k.a. Kate / Katie ) - died 1925 - Intestate - Admin. 1925
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE76674607
~ Lu more to come >
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Hi again Chris
Not sure if you have already viewed the burial records for "your" O'SULLIVAN family - at Waikaraka Cemetery, Auckland (NZ Cemetery Records 1800-2007 ) ?
The headstone inscriptions are available @ancestry.com website ... and there is also an entry showing headstone photo @billiongraves (NZ).
I noticed that directly underneath the transcribed details for O'SULLIVAN (includes Mortimer, children Daniel ... Edward (KIA - Somme, France) 1916 ... Katie ... ) - there is a note stating (sep. headstone) which appears to be part of the "O'SULLIVAN burials.
The separate headstone reads > " ILMO Daniel HEGARTY the d/b/s/o Jeremiah and Mary HEGARTY - died 28 September 1923. Aged 65 years - Native of Kilgarvan, Co. Kerry, Ireland - RIP " :
~ Lu more to follow >
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Hi Chris
Daniel HEGARTY
A Daniel HEGARTY arrived on the ship "Otaki" into Auckland on or about 4 November 1877.
His age was given as 21 years (so bc 1856).
His native place = Co. Kerry, IRE. and he was coupled on the passenger list (usually indicates "travelling together with") with a man named Richard WILLIAMS aged 26 years and also of Kerry. Both had occupations of "general labourers" :
I suspect because of the fact this particular Daniel HEGARTY was headed for Auckland ... and had a near similar birth year to the man commemorated at the O'SULLIVAN burial site, (died 28 September 1923) that they are one and the same person ?
NOTE: To avoid confusion ----
Have to add that another man named Daniel HEGARTY (and of same age) also died in 1923 - although at Christchurch (South Island) on or about 22 October 1923
~ Lu
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Daniel HEGARTY
This is a rather hard-to-read copy of the Auckland death on 28 September 1923.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19230928.2.88
I haven't time at present to search further for more info on this man ... (will try again later).
~ Lu
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Yes Daniel Hegarty is another potential link. He was the son of Jeremiah Hegarty. This is another reason why I am interested in Mortimer & Catherine. There is a definite link between Mortimer & Daniel Hegarty and if I can prove Mortimer was connected to my Sullivans, it will help in tying in another family branch and consolidate the tree. The Kilgarvan births & marriages have numerous examples of Sullivan, Hegarty witnesses and sponsors.
Chris
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Hi Lucy
Daniel Hegarty's cause of death was new information, so thank you very much. His funeral left the home of Mrs C O'Sullivan (Mortimer's widow Catherine), of 2 Gladstone St, Mt Albert several days after his death and he is buried in an adjacent plot to Mortimer. I could not locate any evidence that he married and had a family.
Many thanks
Chris
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Hi Chris,
This is possibly the newspaper death notice that you have for Daniel Hegerty?
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19230929.2.2.5?end_date=31-10-1923&items_per_page=10&query=hegerty+&snippet=true&start_date=20-09-1923&title=ALG%2cACNZC%2cAKEXAM%2cAS%2cAKTIM%2cBRATS%2cDSC%2cFRTIM%2cKWE%2cMANAK%2cNZH%2cNZHAG%2cNZ%2cTO%2cPWT%2cROTWKG%2cSUNAK
Added: His probated will-
https://collections.archives.govt.nz/en-GB/web/arena/search#/entity/aims-archive/R21457411/hegerty-daniel---auckland---settler?q=daniel+hegerty&source=aims-archive
Minniehaha.
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Hi there
I can't thank you enough for the link to Daniel Hegarty's Will on Family Search. It confirms that he didn't marry. All the O/Sullivan names referred to in the Will are children of Mortimer & Catherine. However, what was interesting was the US connection to his brother Patrick....something to definitely follow up.
Thanks
Chris
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Also "my deceased sister, Mary O'Sullivan"; with the same connection to the US.......
Minniehaha.
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May be of interest?
Cenotaph record for Edward Mortimer O'Sullivan:
https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C11724?srt=relevance&n=edward+mortimer+o%27sullivan&from=%2Fwar-memorial%2Fonline-cenotaph%2Fsearch&ordinal=0
His WW1 file: [His father's signature appears among the papers].
https://collections.archives.govt.nz/en-GB/web/arena/search#/entity/aims-archive/R21382951/osullivan%2C-edward-mortimer---ww1-12%2F2807---army?q=edward+mortimer+o%27sullivan&source=aims-archive
Minniehaha.
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FYI:
1877/6161 O'Sullivan Margaret Catherine Morty
Actual D.O.B.= 9.7.1877
Minniehaha.
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Would you be able to tell me where Margaret's actual dob was sourced. Very interested
Chris
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Would you be able to tell me where Margaret's actual dob was sourced. Very interested
Chris
Sure, here is 'how to':
This from our Rootschat resources page:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745785.0
Minniehaha.
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Hi Chris
Are you still needing to know who "sponsored" the O'SULLIVAN family group, (Mortimer, Catherine and children) to New Zealand in 1875 ??
~ Lu
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Hi again
Yes I haven’t heard back from the Archivist at St Patricks Cathedral, although I only sent the email yesterday.
Chris
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As I mentioned earlier, I can't advise where to seek records for "colonial-nominated" emigrants to Auckland.
So will just "bump" up this query here, in case someone from Auckland can help. ;D
~ Lu
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It might pay to send an e-mail with a request to Auckland Library. [Scroll down to 'Research Enquiries']
https://www.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/Pages/contact-us.aspx
Minniehaha.
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O'SULLIVAN - Margaret and Elizabeth (Maggie and Lizzie) - sisters :
Nothing helpful in Wills of above sisters - seems they each left almost everything to the church.
? Pretty sure these are the correct O'SULLIVAN sisters (although some oddities appear in their bueir records ??
Margaret O'SULLIVAN d. 8 October 1962 - aged 85 (bc 1877) buried at Waikaraka Cemetery, Auckand (same cemetery as her parents and siblings). Burial record says she was born in Ireland - but that would seem to be an error ??
Elizabeth (aka Elizabeth Ellen) O'SULLIVAN - d. 6 May 1955 : Both NZ BDM (online) and the Waikaraka Cemetery burial record, have her death age as 70 (bc 1885) (Waikaraka Cem. also records her as born New Zealand ? So did the first "Elizabeth" O'SULLIVAN aged 2 months on "Ocean Mail" passenger list, die ? Is this Elizabeth Ellen O'SULLIVAN another child of Murty (Morty) and Catherine (named for her sister) ??
[ Just adding this info in case it helps in filling in the gaps in this family. ]
~ Lu
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Marriage of daughter Mary Hanlon O'SULLIVAN >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18830208.2.15
~ Lu
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Hi Lucy
I can’t thank you enough for all of your help. Very much appreciated.
All the best
Chris
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Mary Hanlon ALLEN (nee O'SULLIVAN) :
Death - NSW - AUS
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15801286?searchTerm=Mary%20Hanlon%20Allen
George Josiah ALLEN (George J. ALLEN) died 26 June 1925 - Darlingtonhurst : Private interment. Buried same plot with wife Mary at Waverley Cemetery.
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Mary Hanlon ALLEN appeared on 1913 electoral roll - Long Bay, Randwick, NSW -- resident at Allison Road : Some of her NZ-born children also appear at Allison Rd. on this roll :
ALLEN
- Cecil Gordon - student [b. NZ]
- Sydney Mortimer - Saddler - [b. NZ]
- Theophilus George - Student [b. NZ]
- Mary Elizabeth - domestic duties [b. NZ] [ = my notations - births on NZ Index ]
- George Josiah (I think is her husband ? ) - saddler
- Mary Hanlon - domestic duties
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Mary Hanlon ALLEN - died 1 September 1918 - Australia
Father: Mortimer Mother: Kathleen (sic)
Reg number : 993 Reg. Dist: Petersham, NSW
~ Lu
Added: First child of Mary H and George was > 1884/370 - ALLEN - Annie Margaret - Reg. Auckland - date of birth was 21 December 1883 - marr. VEECH, AUS:
Note: Trying to find a "tree" or other, which might have further info for Mary Hanlon O'SULLIVAN/ALLEN. There are several trees for this ALLEN family, but none document Mary's O'SULLIVAN family. :(