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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: Pat Hase on Wednesday 26 April 23 19:19 BST (UK)
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Can anyone find out anything about a Matthew LONG, "Gentleman", aged 74, who died in Bath on the 18th Nov 1878 at 8 St Mary's Buildings. The informant was his niece Emma Elizabeth EDGECUMBE and I believe that address was where Emma's mother, Elizabeth EDGECUMBE nee LONG, Matthew's sister, was living. Another brother was a James LONG who was a Hairdresser in Bath. Their parents were James & Elizabeth LONG who in 1841 were living in Weston, Bath. I think that Matthew married a Sarah CLIFT but know very little of his life or where he lived. Would love to know more and where his father, James LONG was born. Thank you.
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Have you looked for him on earlier census entries 1841-1871?
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list?cqs=england+census
1841 shows James & Sarah not b Somerset. Have you found either of them on the 1851? There is a 70yr old James Long in Swainswick - looks possibly the same address as 1841 - have you checked him out?
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Thank you for replying
I haven't found Matthew LONG on any census. Have just discovered that his daughter, Sarah Jane, died in Boston Mass, in 1911 having married an Abram BANTA. Her death certificate gives her parents as Matthew LONG and Sarah CLIFF [sic] both of Bath.
I don't think that the James & Sarah LONG in Swainswick are connected to this family. The James & Elizabeth LONG in Weston in 1841 were both dead by 1851. James in July 1850 and Elizabeth in Sept 1846. Matthew and several of his siblings were buried by the Argyle Independent Church at their Snow Hill Burial Ground, Grateful for any help finding what happened to Matthew and where his father was born. Thank you
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Found on Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFY4-NLN
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Also on FS
Possible children
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6D9J-GMWJ
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6D9J-2FX5
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He's certainly hiding on all censuses - wonder if he was abroad? Tried Scotland & Wales censuses - zilch!!
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Here is Sarah J Banta in 1880 with her family and her mother Sarah Long.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDL3-8KX
1900 - Sarah J Banta, 43 years married but no year of immigration :(
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3YQ-BR4
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Sarah Long is with her daughter in 1860 but Matthew isn’t with them
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFHR-PZ3
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Matthew Long married Sarah Clift 20 September 1829 St Mary Redcliffe , Bristol
Witness James Long, Elizabeth Long, Eliza Clift.
All signed
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I can find only two children
Sarah Jane baptized 3 November 1830 of 4 Gay's Place Walcot St Swithins
Ann Eliza baptized 1 April 1832 Walcot St Swithins.
- There is a burial 8 January 1837 of an Ann Eliza Long aged 5 at the Wesleyan Methodist
It could be her as Matthew, James and Elizabeth were all baptized at the Independent Church
Argyle Chapel Bristol and were of Kalston /(Kelston) Somerset
Kelston is 4 miles from Bath Somerset.
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Thank you for the information about Sarah LONG in America with her daughter - I hadn't picked that up.
I have a copy of a transcription of the baptisms of the Argyle Chapel but can't find Matthew LONG in it although his sister Hester was christened there in 1811 - I would agree that it is possible that he was christened in Bristol which has been suggested. I think his other siblings James and Elizabeth were baptised in the Penn Street Calvinistic Chapel in Bristol not in the Argyle Chapel in Bath (unless these chapels were in the same circuit and connected in some way). He's proving quite a mystery - thanks for all your help.
In the Bath Chronicle of 5th Jan 1837 this announcement was under deaths
"Jan. 1, at her residence, No. 9, Upper Camden place, Anne Eliza, second daughter of Mr. Matthew Long." perhaps I'm reading too much into the wording but why put "at her residence" and no mention of her mother? She was only 5 years old.
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Just naming her father might have been the conventions of the time.
Here is the death of Sarah Long in 1891 - her parents named as Nathaniel Clift and Ann Gay
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FS2K-9VZ
What is Matthew Long’s marital status on his death certificate?
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There is this entry in Ohio which might be just coincidence given the size of the United States ;)
Matthew Long, b England, a Cabinet Maker
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXQQ-2FS
He is not with the family in 1860
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCLL-N2J
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Their parents were James & Elizabeth LONG who in 1841 were living in Weston, Bath. .....Would love to know more and where his father, James LONG was born.
This may be James and Elizabeth's marriage on FS: in Bedminster, Somerset (between Bristol and Bath), 23 March1800 - bride is Elizabeth Tovey (given that Matthew was born in 1804 and that they lived in Bath later)
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And perhaps James' baptism, also on FS, at Freshford (a few miles southeast of Bath) on 3 August 1760. No father's name given unfortunately.
Or this one in Newton St Loe (between Bath and Bristol), on 9 August 1775 parents James Long and Mary.
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Ancestry, transcription
Matthew Long baptized 1 July 1804 age 11 weeks Portland Square Bristol, Argyle Chapel
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You've all given me a lot to think about. Thank you.
As neither James LONG nor his wife Elizabeth were born in Somerset (according to 1841 census of Weston, Bath) probably the baptisms in Freshford and Newton St Loe may not be possible.
I'm interested in the marriage of James LONG and Elizabeth TOVEY at St John the Baptist, Bedminster - I've looked at that before - Both signed their names and their witnesses were John & Mary EDWARDS who were not regular witnesses so may have some connection with the family.
I have sent for a copy of the Will of James LONG from Weston - it's at the Somerset Archives although I doubt it will give any information about his parents.
Not sure how that baptism of Matthew's at St Paul's Church Portland Square, Bristol got to mention Argyle Chapel - I can't see that on the image of the entry. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place.