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I have been trying to find Back Street/Lane and Low Street in Brampton. I have them in my 1861 - 1881 census returns but I cannot find them on maps so presume roads have disappeared or have been renamed or have lost their names over the years. If anyone can let me know where they may be that would be great. Many thanks in advance.
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You can see Back Street here https://maps.nls.uk/view/121140533#zoom=5&lat=5832&lon=3989&layers=BT
Now called Main Street.
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That's brilliant. So Back Street is now Main Street. Thank you!
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Not sure if you noticed, there is a "Low Cross Street" (and "High Cross Street") on the same map. Possibly "Low Street" on the census. :D
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I had the same thought as maddys52, but when I used FindMyPast address search I found that most censuses have households logged with both Low Street and Low Cross Street. I’ve tabulated what I found below (numbers are households not individuals) but I did not go into the records at all to confirm.
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Thank you for this. Yes I did wonder about Low Street also being Low Cross St. I have my family at Low St in the 1881 census but I suspect from the chart that both existed although it's odd that on the 1871 census there is apparently noone living at Low Cross St. I will keep sleuthing!
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Amongst the reference points on Census 1861-1901 that link to Low Street are " Barley Stack, The Vicarage, Gas Yard, Police Station, Brewery". There was also reference to "Magistrates" (which I'm struggling to find again!)
As such I was drawn to the junction of Longtown Road and Back/Front Street - see old map already posted.
The Barley Stack no longer a pub (listed building) and is on Carlise Rd, close to the junction with Longtown Rd.
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Just spotted "Townfoot" on the extreme east edge of posted map. Townfoot (or Townfoot Farm) pops up on one census leading to Low Street?
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Amongst the reference points on Census 1861-1901 that link to Low Street are " Barley Stack, The Vicarage, Gas Yard, Police Station, Brewery". There was also reference to "Magistrates" (which I'm struggling to find again!)
As such I was drawn to the junction of Longtown Road and Back/Front Street - see old map already posted.
I was thinking along the same lines.
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1901 Census - CONTENTS OF ENUMERATOR'S DISTRICT
"All that part of the Township of Brampton which lies north of Swarthel Road Sands, Main Street 'formerly Back Street' and Low Street to and including Townsfoot, Middle Farm, Greenfield and Backwood with Heslop's House Kirby Moor".
The 1881 Census threw me - seems no logic to the flow of addresses.
Carlisle Rd now extends right to Longtown Rd and appears on 1899 map - thinking Carlisle Road subsumed Low Street?
Still trying to find my "Magistrates" reference point on the Census. I had checked it out on Streetview - lovely looking building.
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I've been looking at the 1851 tithe map of Brampton (surveyed 1850). It is definitely one of the better tithe maps I have looked at, in fact it is really more like a census, with many individual houses labelled and their owners and occupiers named. There are several street names that are familiar from the OS map, but having trawled though the transcript I do not see any mention of Low Street. It's interesting that Low Street is also absent from the 1851 census (according to FindMyPast).
There are however some street names on the tithe map that are not on the OS map. In the spirit of ruling out some of these as candidates for Low Street here are two of them:
On the OS map, follow Back Lane coming in from the NW. There is a complicated 'junction' where the fields labelled 122, 118 and 115 come near to each other, with the letters FW (face of wall) tilted and on top of other detail. I don't see a name for the lane that heads off to the north east, but just after that coming into town there is a fork. Back Lane continues as the left fork. The right fork at that point is String of Horses Lane which again forks, with the right fork being Fawkin's Hill, and the other continuing as String of Horses Lane. Back Lane and Fawkin's Hill both open into Back Street, whereas String of Horses Lane leads to a PH.
String of Horses Lane is also in FindMyPast address search for 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891. Fawkins Hill (which has very few properties labelled on the tithe map, is only in FindMyPast address search for 1871 and 1901.
Added: I see from StreetView that Falkins Hill is still there (Fawkins on the tithe map).
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I also carried out a newspaper search at BNA for “Low Street Brampton”
The most recent mention was in 1891, the earliest was in 1860. All are family notices except in 1891: John Bell, labourer of Low Street Brampton, fined for trespassing in pursuit of conies.
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I've been looking at the 1851 tithe map of Brampton (surveyed 1850). It is definitely one of the better tithe maps I have looked at, in fact it is really more like a census, with many individual houses labelled and their owners and occupiers named. There are several street names that are familiar from the OS map, but having trawled though the transcript I do not see any mention of Low Street. It's interesting that Low Street is also absent from the 1851 census (according to FindMyPast).
There are however some street names on the tithe map that are not on the OS map. In the spirit of ruling out some of these as candidates for Low Street here are two of them:
On the OS map, follow Back Lane coming in from the NW. There is a complicated 'junction' where the fields labelled 122, 118 and 115 come near to each other, with the letters FW (face of wall) tilted and on top of other detail. I don't see a name for the lane that heads off to the north east, but just after that coming into town there is a fork. Back Lane continues as the left fork. The right fork at that point is String of Horses Lane which again forks, with the right fork being Fawkin's Hill, and the other continuing as String of Horses Lane. Back Lane and Fawkin's Hill both open into Back Street, whereas String of Horses Lane leads to a PH.
String of Horses Lane is also in FindMyPast address search for 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891. Fawkins Hill (which has very few properties labelled on the tithe map, is only in FindMyPast address search for 1871 and 1901.
You just beat me too it. I just spotted Back Lane too!
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Out of interest, if anyone spots any reference to a John Golipher/Golifer/Gulliver on their travels through any records relating to this, I would be very interested! This is the family I am trying to track. They were in Back Street in 1861, (no street listed for 1871) and Low St in 1881. John died in the mid August 1881 presumably at Low St.
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1871 Census
Brampton
Low Street (Barley Stack), William Mounsey, age 55, Licensed victualler
Post Office Directory of Cumberland & Westmorland, 1873
Brampton - Commercial
Mounsey William, Barley Stack & Grocer, Lower Front Street
There is no mention of a Low Street in the 1873 Post Office Directory. It could be that none of the Low Street occupiers "qualified" to be listed, whether under "Private resident" or "Commercial". Yet to cross check further residents of the '71 Census against the 1873 Directory.
The Barley Stack long established on what is now Carlisle Road.
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This newspaper article about a proposal for a sewerage system in Brampton mentions Low Street and Carlisle Road consecutively, consistent with the idea that they were adjacent at that time.
Sewers will also be carried along Front Street, Low Street, Carlisle Road, Brampton Lonning, Church Lane, Garden Terrace Lane, Shuttle Row, Low Cross Street, High Cross Street, Lane leading to Oliver's Square, Cow Lane, Chapel Lane, part of Fawkes Hill, String of Horses lane, and part of Back Lonning, with gradients ranging from 1 in 110, to 1 in 8.
Carlisle Journal 24 October 1865
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Out of interest, if anyone spots any reference to a John Golipher/Golifer/Gulliver on their travels through any records relating to this, I would be very interested! This is the family I am trying to track. They were in Back Street in 1861, (no street listed for 1871) and Low St in 1881. John died in the mid August 1881 presumably at Low St.
There is a report on Friday, Aug. 19, 1881, Publication: Newcastle Courant about John GULLIVER, drainer, of Brampton's death (suicide). Happy to copy or transcribe it if you haven't seen it.
Also an item about a draining match on the Estate of the Duke of Sutherland at Trentham, John GULLIVER part of the team that took 2nd prize.
Friday, Jan. 14, 1859
Publication: Carlisle Journal
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No mention of a Low Street in the 1858 Post Office Directory but 50 households with that address on the '61 Census. Cross checking Directory against Census -
Post Office Directory of Cumberland 1858
Brampton - Commercial
Minchinson Thomas, Barley Stack & brewer, Townfoot
Mounsey William, Red Lion & horsebreaker, Front Street,
1861 Census
Public House, Front Street, Thomas Mitchilson, age 48, Innkeeper
Front Street, William Mounsey, age 45, Publican and horsebreaker
Kelly's 1894 Directory has the address "Townfoot" for The Barley Stack in 1894, while it continues to appear under "Low Street" on 1891 Census. Yet to find a Directory that recognises a "Low Street, Brampton"
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Out of interest, if anyone spots any reference to a John Golipher/Golifer/Gulliver on their travels through any records relating to this, I would be very interested! This is the family I am trying to track. They were in Back Street in 1861, (no street listed for 1871) and Low St in 1881. John died in the mid August 1881 presumably at Low St.
There is a report on Friday, Aug. 19, 1881, Publication: Newcastle Courant about John GULLIVER, drainer, of Brampton's death (suicide). Happy to copy or transcribe it if you haven't seen it.
Also an item about a draining match on the Estate of the Duke of Sutherland at Trentham, John GULLIVER part of the team that took 2nd prize.
Friday, Jan. 14, 1859
Publication: Carlisle Journal
I would love to see this in full. This is him and I was told it was a suicide though I have no further information. Many thanks for both items!
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No worries, the item about the death is just a paragraph, but the other is a bit long - I'll send you a pm. :D